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Re: Lion bone trade

Unread postby missings.a.! » Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:40 pm

They use tiger bones to make tiger bone wine and now that tigers are almost extinct, they are using lion bones for the wine.

Sanparks must anticipate, not just react!!

Anyone running a business properly must anticipate any potential problems and act before they happen. Not wait until after and then try to react when it is too late.

All vehicles leaving Sanparks should be checked by dogs trained to react to the smell of big game, lion, rhino, elephant, leopard and cheetah.

And if dogs bark, hoick everyone out of the vehicle.

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Re: Lion bone trade

Unread postby JeanniR » Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:45 pm

Missings.a, I agree with you on the searching of the vehicles..

Using tiger bone in wine is very disturbing. To think they kill innocent animals just for that is terrible :cry:
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Re: Lion bone trade

Unread postby missings.a.! » Thu Feb 28, 2013 2:41 pm

JeanniR wrote:Missings.a, I agree with you on the searching of the vehicles..

Using tiger bone in wine is very disturbing. To think they kill innocent animals just for that is terrible :cry:


JeanniR, I posted an article here on July 15 2012 about tigers. It is heartbreaking and very few people bothered to read it.

But to me, it is the future for the African lion.

Also, this topic should be on the poaching topic.

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Re: Lion bone trade

Unread postby JeanniR » Thu Feb 28, 2013 2:52 pm

Missings.a, I think most South Africans (and other countries) are very munch unaware of lion / tiger trade. I only heard about it the other day when reading this tread. :big_eyes:

We, as a country are not doing enough to protect our animals.. Mahatma Gandhi rightly said:
"The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way in which its animals are treated".
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Re: Lion bone trade

Unread postby missings.a.! » Thu Feb 28, 2013 2:58 pm

JeanniR wrote:Missings.a, I think most South Africans (and other countries) are very munch unaware of lion / tiger trade. I only heard about it the other day when reading this tread. :big_eyes:

We, as a country are not doing enough to protect our animals.. Mahatma Gandhi rightly said:
"The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way in which its animals are treated".



Well please see my post on POACHING dated July 15th 2012. I will even try to repost it. I am trying to raise the alarm before people start noticing there are not so many lions in Kruger and over-grazing from the many antelopes.

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Re: Lion bone trade

Unread postby Graham_5000 » Mon Apr 22, 2013 5:40 pm

Does anyone have a link to the latest census stats?
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Re: Lion bone trade

Unread postby Philip1 » Mon Apr 22, 2013 6:11 pm

Graham_5000 wrote:Does anyone have a link to the latest census stats?

Graham_5000, i also tried to find info, but no luck. Only old Stats.
Surely somewhere there should be somebody to give us an answer?
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Re: Lion bone trade

Unread postby threedogs » Tue Apr 23, 2013 12:20 am

Just found this exciting link! Haven't had a chance to read through yet will do so today. :thumbs_up:

http://www.ajubatus.org/the-lion-project/
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Re: Lion bone trade

Unread postby Graham_5000 » Tue Apr 23, 2013 11:39 am

Great project - thanks for the link. I would love to observe this sort of work for a day or two! I have emailed and asked them about lion bone poaching as well as population estimate. If anyone is going to notice poaching, it is a team that knows the different prides really well and tracks them as they do.
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Re: Lion bone trade

Unread postby Weltenman » Tue Apr 23, 2013 2:41 pm

Regarding the poaching of lions, I guess the signs the rangers would see is some sort of bait left for the lions? I would think that due to lions keeping their distance from humans on foot (as explained by guides on a walk) that this would be the way to kill them in the wild? There is the added danger that a wounded lion is extremely dangerous and add in that if done at night would make it even more dangerous for the poachers, not having the sight in the dark that a lion would have.
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Re: Lion bone trade

Unread postby Penny » Tue Apr 23, 2013 6:08 pm

Any animal that strays or is lured onto the Mozambique side of KNP and is worth anything whether it be as a trophy or for other purposes such as rhino and elephant poaching or for the bush meat trade is dead within 24 hours. Its unbelieveably easy to kill an impala and leave a trail for lions to follow and they can be killed within minutes. There again the canned lion "industry" seems to have a lot of their "by products" in great demand and are making a massive killing in more ways than one! Good fences make good neighbours and there are many fences that are in dire need if our wildlife is to survive!
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Re: Lion bone trade

Unread postby Stark » Tue Apr 23, 2013 6:27 pm

Like elephant poaching elsewhere, it is a matter of time until this issue is at the doorstep of SA. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
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Re: Lion bone trade

Unread postby missings.a.! » Tue Apr 23, 2013 11:35 pm

Stark wrote:Like elephant poaching elsewhere, it is a matter of time until this issue is at the doorstep of SA. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.


Well said Stark! :gflower:

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Re: Lion bone trade

Unread postby threedogs » Wed Apr 24, 2013 12:29 am

Mods please allow. :pray:

Canned hunting is alive and well. The NSPCA is highlighting Youtube videos coming to light of these despicable practices which fuel lion bone trade and other nefarious criminal activity not to mention the appalling cruelty.

Via the NSPCA

WARNING this video contains disturbing and harrowing footage.

Canned Bow Hunt of Lioness
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tExAqeGXRZU

An appeal is made for anyone with information to come forward and make contact with the NSPCA anonymously if need be via nspca@nspca.co.za or by fax to 011-907-3590 or if anyone has the courage of their conviction to speak openly to any of our staff.

WHY IS THIS STILL HAPPENING IN SOUTH AFRICA?
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Re: Lion bone trade

Unread postby Graham_5000 » Wed Apr 24, 2013 1:22 am

That is appalling. :evil: I am guessing the tourist was Afrikaans, seeing as no English was spoken?
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