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 Post subject: Re: Butterfly ID needed
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Thanks Moose and Tshwene for your help. I've googled a bit and think that #3 is indeed a Thysbe copper and #2 an orange tip (not so sure of which specific one :? ). And from a belated look :doh: at JvR's excellent butterfly index , I think that #1 is likely an African veined white

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 Post subject: Re: Insect ID needed
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Can anyone help with ID for this insect? Seen in Kgalagadi in March 2010. It's similar to a dragonfly, but I think it's not? :?

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Arks im pretty sure thats a lacewing :dance: the swollen tips on the end of the antennae are usually an indicator. They belong to the Order Neuroptera along with antlions and mantis flies.

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 Post subject: Re: Insect ID needed
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Nannie - I photographed one as well - the colours are different but I think Tshwene is correct. I could not find an exact match in my book - Zygaenidae (burnet and forester moths)More than 1000 species...

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Thanks Tshwene and Moggiedog - 1000 species wow!


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 Post subject: Re: Insect ID needed
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Arks im pretty sure thats a lacewing :dance: the swollen tips on the end of the antennae are usually an indicator. They belong to the Order Neuroptera along with antlions and mantis flies.

Thanks for your help, oddesy. I've googled a bit and think your ID is spot on! :thumbs_up:

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 Post subject: Re: Insect ID needed
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Can anyone help with ID for this insect? Seen in Kgalagadi in March 2010. It's similar to a dragonfly, but I think it's not? :?



Arks, it is an adult ant lion. No clue about species; there are many similar. Some, especially larger ones, have spectacularly shadowed wings, but I see that yours is a penny-plain ordinary. Very likely it is one of the pit-diggers, but actually, many spp many don't dig pits.

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 Post subject: Re: Insect ID needed
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Arks im pretty sure thats a lacewing :dance: the swollen tips on the end of the antennae are usually an indicator. They belong to the Order Neuroptera along with antlions and mantis flies.


Hi Oddesy,

Sorry, I answered before checking ahead (been away from forum for a while). I didn't mean to overlook your entry. You have an eye for these things, noticing those antennae, but I am afraid you mis-attributed them. Lacewings (Chrysopidae and Hemerobiidae) do not have clavate (clubbed) antennae. Some families of Neuroptera certainly do, but the commonest ones you are likely to see would be the Myrmeleontidae or ant lions. Lacewings have long, threadlike antennae.

Another difference is that the lacewings tend to carry their wings compactly and neatly laid in a tent shape over the abdomen. Ant lions have a more elongated shape, and often carry the wings untidily, like this specimen.

Keep looking and making connections; there is no more rewarding field of study for that than wild life, large or small!

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Jon you are quite right now that I re-checked, thanks for correcting me :thumbs_up: :thumbs_up: . In my insect collection I had what i remembered was a lacewing but it is in actual fact an antlion, i had labelled it correctly though. The lacewings i remember after your reminder have that tent type shape and we usually found lots of them in the long grass. Some were also quite small

Insects are really an interesting group :thumbs_up:

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 Post subject: Re: Insect ID needed
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Jon you are quite right now that I re-checked, thanks for correcting me :thumbs_up: :thumbs_up:


Only a pleasure. I have made many worse mistakes myself. One gets used to it! :wink:

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Can anyone help with ID for this insect? Seen in Kgalagadi in March 2010. It's similar to a dragonfly, but I think it's not? :?

Arks, it is an adult ant lion. No clue about species; there are many similar. Some, especially larger ones, have spectacularly shadowed wings, but I see that yours is a penny-plain ordinary. Very likely it is one of the pit-diggers, but actually, many spp many don't dig pits.

Thanks so much for the ID and the extra most interesting information 8) I have seen those larger ones at KTC — and had NO idea (nor would I ever have guessed) that they were ant lions :big_eyes: until a chance conversation with an entemologist. They are really beautiful, but as they were on the outside of the mesh windows (attracted by my inside light whilst I was downloading photos), I don't have any pix of those — just the memory of how gorgeous they are!

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 Post subject: Re: Insect ID needed
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Cam anyone help with an ID for this beetle? Seen in the Waylands Wildflower Reserve in Darling on 27 September 2010.

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Cam anyone help with an ID for this beetle? Seen in the Waylands Wildflower Reserve in Darling on 27 September 2010.


Arks, the easy part is very easy. It is a monkey beetle. Monkey beetles are seen as members of the scarab family, the Scarabaeidae. (I will not go into the discussion of whether it should be the superfamily Scarabaeoidea). After that things become confusing they also are members of either the subfamily Melolonthinae or Rutelinae, or Hopliinae. The common option at the time of writing this as far as I can tell is the tribe Hopliini of the subfamily Rutelinae.
Take your pick; I don't care. What matters more is that the ones that I know by sight are unmistakable as a group, with their blocky appearance, their general hairiness, which usually is full of pollen, and especially their exaggerated, muscular hind legs. One feature that the taxonomists set great store by is the fact that the last segment of their feet (the tarsi) though they have two well-defined claws like most beetles, only more so, have one claw significantly larger than the other.
Suit yourself about whether you find that interesting, but what certainly matters in finding them in the veld is those hind legs. One almost always finds them on flowers. One usually finds them on vygie or Asteraceous types of flowers, and particularly members of the Asteraceae, such as Ursinias and Gazanias. Exactly what those hind legs are for, is uncertain and disputed. For what it is worth, I suspect that in various species to various degrees they are used for forcing the beetle in among the florets or stamens, hauling them out again when it is time to move, and possibly shoving off other beetles competing for flower space or mates. Again, take your pick.
Some are very plain, some quite beautifully iridescent. I have seen it claimed that they are endemic to southern Africa, but I absolutely disbelieve this; they certainly are very similar looking beetles in parts of Eurasia, America, and I think, Australia. I do not deny that many species (and they really are many!) are endemic to South Africa, but that is another matter.
They are important pollinators, but whether they do more good or harm is a toss up. Some flowers, such as some Gazanias and some Iridaceae, have markings near the centre that are suspected to be adaptations for discouraging monkey beetles, looking as though the flowers are already occupied. This idea is supported by research, but I must admit that I have my reservations.
It certainly is true that they damage the flowers a great deal, but once again, it is not clear to me whether their pollination does more good than their damage does harm.
Either way, they are rather charming members of our fynbos community.

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Fascinating stuff, Jon! :thumbs_up: Thank you.

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Can anyone of the experts ID this small critter? :pray:

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