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 Post subject: reporting rulebreakers
Unread postPosted: Tue Jan 28, 2014 4:27 pm 
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My question to Sanparks is as following. If I do report rulebreakers and submit the required proof and statement and I have to testify in court against the perpetrator. Who is going to cover all my costs like transport and accommodation as I will have to travel to Whiteriver from the Eastern Cape and will have to take leave from work to do so. At least 7 days. Or do I just get a thank you? In that case I will like most look the other way and not get involved. In my opinion this attitude of looking the other way is exactly the reason why the rulebreaking is on the increase and the rulebreakers are getting away with it untill somebody gets killed.

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 Post subject: Re: reporting rulebreakers
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 Post subject: Re: reporting rulebreakers
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I really can't respond on the court case issues but, if you can get visible proof, preferably pics with all the details and the perpetrators are still in the park a spot fine will be issued.
This happened in the incident we reported in June last year and I have heard of several others, more recently a case near Croc Bridge where a visitor got out of her car to film an ellie and was stopped and fined at the gate, owing to the footage supplied by the person who witnessed it.
So I don't think a court case always results, maybe just in more serious cases.

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 Post subject: Re: reporting rulebreakers
Unread postPosted: Tue Jan 28, 2014 8:46 pm 
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Thanks Elsa I have read the page you refer to and there it states quite clearly that if the rulebreaker contests the issue and does not pay the fine issued you who took the photo and reported the incident will have to testify as Sanparks cannot testify in court on hearsay and on your behalf. I also follow the facebook group (Kruger Idiots) where all these incidents are reported. If Sanparks really wants to stamp out this scurge of rulebreakers and use their regular and law abiding visitors as whistle blowers they will have to come to the party and compensate us and not say it is for the courts to decide. Surely they can clear this for us with the court who also approves the fines issued. Untill I have clarity about this I will also just look the other way and try my utmost to avoid these rulebreakers which is becoming more difficult and an ever increasing anoyance for us who want to enjoy the nature in peace.

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 Post subject: Re: reporting rulebreakers
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Hi there Louislang

I would still take photos whatever you decide to do afterwards.

On our recent trip we witnessed a shocking incident where a vehicle ploughed thru a troop of baboons on the main road. Fortunately I somehow had the thought at the time to quickly take some photos,the camera always being on my lap.

First I posted here for help and everyone was just wonderful. I emailed the photos to the two addresses i was given and the Sanparks team got right on it. Some mites also posted the photos for me so they would go public.

Soon after we returned home I got sent the great news that the guy driving had been fined and charged with dangerous driving or similar.

I was so happy with the result and it was not much trouble at all, well worthwhile.

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 Post subject: Re: reporting rulebreakers
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Good for you VicRob! :clap:
I think every bit that we can do to help these transgressors pay the price for their sins, the better.

I have forwarded Luislang's query to SANParks PR.

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 Post subject: Re: reporting rulebreakers
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I reported a rule breaker during my trip to Kruger this past December.

If SANP want to pay for me to come to SA to testify, I would be quite happy for them to do so.
And if the judge wants to do a site visit, to see where the event took place for himself, I would be happy to go with and point out the exact location. :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: reporting rulebreakers
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VicRob wrote:
Hi there Louislang

I would still take photos whatever you decide to do afterwards.

On our recent trip we witnessed a shocking incident where a vehicle ploughed thru a troop of baboons on the main road. Fortunately I somehow had the thought at the time to quickly take some photos,the camera always being on my lap.

First I posted here for help and everyone was just wonderful. I emailed the photos to the two addresses i was given and the Sanparks team got right on it. Some mites also posted the photos for me so they would go public.

Soon after we returned home I got sent the great news that the guy driving had been fined and charged with dangerous driving or similar.

I was so happy with the result and it was not much trouble at all, well worthwhile.

Bravo, VicRob! :clap: :clap: :thumbs_up:
Proof that every little bit that we can do helps in the fight against blatant rulebreakers :twisted: :sniper:

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 Post subject: Re: reporting rulebreakers
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Thanks Arks, and for your assistance at the time!!

What would make me really happy would be for these people to be banned for life.

How can anyone who does NOT even slow down when approaching animals be allowed to drive in Kruger :wall:

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 Post subject: Re: reporting rulebreakers
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What is the correct procedure for reporting a rule breaker? would I just take my photo/video to the reception of the camp where I am staying?


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 Post subject: Re: reporting rulebreakers
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Please read Reporting law breakers in Kruger National Park, Shutterbug.

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 Post subject: Re: reporting rulebreakers
Unread postPosted: Wed Jan 29, 2014 7:58 pm 
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Thanks Elsa for forwarding my querie to Sanparks PR and looking forward to their reply.
VicRob good to hear from you guys again and glad to hear that you reported the rulebreaker and action was taken against him. The rulebreaking unfortunately seems to be getting out of hand and spoiling it for everybody else. I have also written to Johannes Nel and waiting for his reply as well. Have a look at the facebook group Kruger Idiots where these rulebreakers are reported for the world to see.

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 Post subject: Re: reporting rulebreakers
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Still waiting for replies from Sanparks PR as well as the chief traffic officer Johannes Nel

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