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 Post subject: Re: Contructive criticism of the viewing points in KNP
Unread postPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 9:29 am 
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Understand that the waterholes are created for the animals
Understand that bush and trees provide cover for those coming to drink or wanting to hunt.
But werent some waterholes created next to roads for tourist as well?

But cutting away high grass at some waterholes next to the road next to the parking does makes sense to me

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 Post subject: Re: Contructive criticism of the viewing points in KNP
Unread postPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 3:28 pm 
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Dear Lesego, it is almost a month since you wrote: Thank you for this and I will forward it to our KNP management and hear what they say

Have you heard anything yet? Or will the lively discussion and pertinent questions emphasizing the different approaches to a park just disappear without any answer being given by a very busy management.

Would be important for all visitors to have an update on the current management policies the Park's Board is following and then we can respect their decisions. At the moment it is very unclear i.e. see discussions above.


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 Post subject: Re: Contructive criticism of the viewing points in KNP
Unread postPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2012 2:54 pm 
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ruud wrote:
..........something else than a viewpoint in a wildlifepark like Kruger. And also something different than viewpoint near waterholes.



Ruud , perhaps we should also get this in perspective . Kruger is not a wildlife park . It is a nature reserve - and the main purpose thereof is to conserve nature - . The main purpose therefore is not tourism . :whistle:

Here is an extract from the National Parks Act - act 57 of 1976 :

4. Object of a park
The object of the constitution of a park is the establishment, preservation and
study therein of wild animal, marine and plant life and objects of geological,
archaeological, historical, ethnological, oceanographic, educational and other
scientific interest and objects relating to the said life of the first-mentioned objects
or to events in or the history of the park, in such a manner that the area which
constitutes the park shall, as far as may be and for the benefit and enjoyment of
visitors, be retained in its natural state.

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 Post subject: Re: Contructive criticism of the viewing points in KNP
Unread postPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2012 4:34 pm 
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Okie a couple of points:-

You say the Kruger is not a wildlife park and then supply a text with title "Object of a park"

Trying to understand that text makes it easier to understand why not many people understand what the objects of a park are!!! What a lot of jargon was used in the old days.

But what I can understand that it is for scientific and educational purposes and also benefit and enjoyment of visitors. Now we all know the animals come first but science, education, and enjoyment all require that we see, hear, smell, and think about the animals.

Visitors must be able to calmly sit at beautiful natural spots away from the tarred roads and petrol fumes and watch this magnificent park show of its great wonders. I just cant undersdtand what the attraction is for queing up on "natural" tarred roads with 10 or more other cars often with all having their engines and airco's running.

We all love the park and clearly enjoy this paradise in many different and individual ways.

It is time for the management to tell us clearly what the future holds for those blocked views. We can then quickly move on instead of running around with silly arguments

Discussions about viewpoints being just litter bins is a wide step off the mark


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 Post subject: Re: Contructive criticism of the viewing points in KNP
Unread postPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2012 4:54 pm 
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Woweeeee..... :big_eyes:
It seems everyone has a common goal, just other ways of reaching it.

For me, the quieter and most undisturbed part of nature i can find, the better. A viewing point with overgrown trees etc, may not be safe, but then realise you are in the deepest darkest Africa, and a overgrown tree is most certainly not going to stop a hungry Leopard :slap: , so overgrown or not, you are gonna be in trouble....

I say leave nature to be nature, and experience the true joy of being lucky enough to experience nature at its finest. Forget what makes you comfortable and respect what makes nature comfortable.

Photography in my eyes is this, right time, right place, that could be on a tar road, or it could be in the thickest vegetation ever, it is about a certain amount of skill, and a huge amount of luck.

An alternative for better viewing, a guided walk? :hmz:

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 Post subject: Re: Contructive criticism of the viewing points in KNP
Unread postPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 8:11 pm 
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okie wrote:
ruud wrote:
..........something else than a viewpoint in a wildlifepark like Kruger. And also something different than viewpoint near waterholes.



Ruud , perhaps we should also get this in perspective . Kruger is not a wildlife park . It is a nature reserve - and the main purpose thereof is to conserve nature - . The main purpose therefore is not tourism . :whistle:

Here is an extract from the National Parks Act - act 57 of 1976 :

4. Object of a park
The object of the constitution of a park is the establishment, preservation and
study therein of wild animal, marine and plant life and objects of geological,
archaeological, historical, ethnological, oceanographic, educational and other
scientific interest and objects relating to the said life of the first-mentioned objects
or to events in or the history of the park, in such a manner that the area which
constitutes the park shall, as far as may be and for the benefit and enjoyment of
visitors, be retained in its natural state.


Hi Okie,

maybe it is because english is not my first language and would it be easier for me to express myself in dutch :wink: , but let me try again:
In the first place I really love to come to Kruger as soon as possible and we stay as long as possible with much pleasure!!
But of course you're right that we have to be very very careful with environments like Kruger nature reserve :wink: but I cannot find a reason why it is such a big problem to improve the visibility at many waterholes.
I don't think it has anything to do with the preservation of the heritage.
When waterholes are closed, OK no problem but than they have to take everything away so that there is no waterhole anymore.
But I hope you agree with me that for instance Renosterpan was! a nice place to park, wait and relax till lions, leopard, zebras wildbeast or whatever comes for a drink.
But now it is just impossible to have a look on the waterhole.
Only in the corner of the 'parking place' some-one with a 4x4 or bakkie started to drive 'through the bush and when 1 starts with doing so, many people follows.
IMHO it's no problem at all to cut the bushes down to the ground so that every-one has a good view.
And like Renosterpan I can find many other places like that.
Littering is definitely another discussion and has nothing to do with visibility.
And I must say that we are very happy not to drive in a economy size vehicle while we have our own 4x4.
But when I see several Sanparks-workers throughout the park cutting the grass and small bushes away close to 'No entry' signs, because than everybody can see that you are not allowed to drive that way, it also must be possible to do the same at some waterholes.
And maybe our expectations are too high or am I looking to this 'problem' in a 'European way'.
And maybe people in SA are having a different view because they can visit Kruger more or easier than 'we from Europe', but when I visit Kruger and see on a map that somewhere is a waterhole close to the road, I have a expectation to see at least something and no sometimes you can't even see anything.
I think more than 95% of Kruger visitors comes to Kruger to enjoy the wildlife and they doesn't come to look to grass, bushes or whatever at waterholes
And again you're right that tourism is not the main purpose but should there be a Kruger without tourism....? I don't think so. Saying this I have to doubt about it.

And I am told that less than 4 % of Kruger is 'open' for us tourist... so it must be possible to find a good balance in that.
I hope you do understand my point of view (due to my 'bad' english :doh: ) but you don't have to agree with me :thumbs_up: and maybe I park my 4x4 next to you're Landy sometimes :wink:

Nice discussion!!
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 Post subject: Re: Contructive criticism of the viewing points in KNP
Unread postPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 9:10 pm 
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Ruud, it all makes good sense. :) Just a little bit of TLC at waterholes and view points. :thumbs_up:


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 Post subject: Re: Contructive criticism of the viewing points in KNP
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Ruud , You are right . The English is not a problem either . Some places can certainly have BETTER viewing , with less obstruction . But we must also understand that it is not an easy task to keep ALL of those viewing places in tip-top condition specifically for viewing , mere because of the vast number that are there . For instance , just a short drive down along the Sabie river have many many drive-ins and loops and just to keep them trimmed etc , would be a task requiring many many man-hours .

But in the end - yes , we all agree , the park is there for our enjoyment , as long as we can maintain it in as natural state as possible .

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 Post subject: Re: Contructive criticism of the viewing points in KNP
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I forwarded this to the Kruger Management and they have acknowledged this suggestion. :)

KNP will certainly take this up with relevant managers at the regions (Technical Services and maybe rangers as well) for them to look at the possibility of clearing.
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 Post subject: Re: Contructive criticism of the viewing points in KNP
Unread postPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 10:42 am 
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Thanks Lesego!

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 Post subject: Re: Contructive criticism of the viewing points in KNP
Unread postPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 8:47 pm 
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Exbrakpanite wrote:
Thank you Lesego. Every time I sit at a quite viewing point and just gaze at the animals or try to photograph a mammal, bird, reptile, or insect without branches obstructing the essential spirit of the animal I will appreciate your help in finding a constructive answer to my constructive criticism
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Yeah ! Sometimes that darn animal just sits or stands or want to take a bath in the wrong place :evil:


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 Post subject: Re: Contructive criticism of the viewing points in KNP
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Some of that vegetation , creates great cover for predators ambushing at waterholes....or to scare tourists at viewpoints.
I remember they cleared the reeds in front of Skukuza last year. It was an eyesore to see a patch of reeds slashed on the riverbed.
Let the bush be.

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 Post subject: Re: Contructive criticism of the viewing points in KNP
Unread postPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 2:29 pm 
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bushbuck87 wrote:
Arn`t we, conservationists first and then view then Photograph the natrual splenders we find in the bush? :big_eyes: :doh:
If the vegetation is cleared from these areas, maybe a whole little eco-system could be destoyed forever. Or a sapling of a future Baobab, Natal Mahogany etc could never get the chance to life. Dosen`t the bush have write to survive as any other animal in the Parks. :gflower:
To me it looks like the same old story man come first with his greed and then our fragile eco-system come last. :sniper: :wall:


Bushbuck87,
do you ever visit any of the birdhides in Kruger??

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 Post subject: Re: Contructive criticism of the viewing points in KNP
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ruud, Yes i do visit hides and if the vegetation is overgrown i accept it as part of the system.
A hide is a place of concealment for observing wildlife, so the more camouflaged it is with vegetation the better.
I would suggest building a few observation towers in remote parts of the park then no bush needs to be cleared, they work well in other game reserves


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 Post subject: Re: Contructive criticism of the viewing points in KNP
Unread postPosted: Wed May 02, 2012 2:17 pm 
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KNP is such a special place and provides its visitors an unforgettable experience. However, it's easy to forget that conservation comes first. I for one can't stand the sight of a manicured area if not within camps or picnic spots - so I'm ok with "overgrown" view points.

The animals are everywhere, and spotting them is simply the "luck of the draw", however clear or overgrown the viewpoints are. We must remember we aren't "entitled" to sightings nor are we guaranteed them.

Also remember that in the drier periods these view points should be less overgrown anyway, so the experience isn't totally lost.

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