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 Post subject: Re: No entry road's in Kruger
Unread postPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2011 2:16 pm 
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In april 2011 over the easter weekend, we were on our way back to lower sabie camp after spending 2 hours with a pride of 22 lion on the gomodwane loop, we were all ecstatic, when we drove past a no entry road 9km from LS on the main road, my father had spotted a male cheetah about 100-150m down on the no entry road. we observed the cheetah with our binocs from the main road, a man saw that we had stopped and asked us what we had seen. we told him it was a cheetah, he stated that he never had seen a cheetah in the wild before, he drove about 100m down the no entry road, got out his car, walked toewards the cheetah and started taking pictures of it...
never in my life had i ever been so shocked!

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 Post subject: Re: No entry road's in Kruger
Unread postPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2011 5:15 pm 
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PF Fourie wrote in his book "Kruger National Park, Questions and Answers" of an elderly couple that got lost and then broke down on one of these no entry roads during the seventies.

As the no entry roads are not often used by officials, the couple was only found three days later in a very bad state. Apparently they were severly dehydrated and in shock, as they spent a few nights alone in the dark, with wild anilmals lurking about the car.

The problem with these roads are that some of them are so remote, you might not be found in time, or worse come into contact with undesireables. I have been down some, while on adventure trails and the game are certainly very skittish and not used to human contact.


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 Post subject: Re: No entry road's in Kruger
Unread postPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 5:21 pm 
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ndloti wrote:
Mimondzo (Monza) from outside the fenceUpper reaches of the Lubye Lubye which drains into the Sabie


... of course I never drive down on the no entry roads without the necessary permission .

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 Post subject: Re: No entry road's in Kruger
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ndloti wrote:
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Mimondzo (Monza) from outside the fenceUpper reaches of the Lubye Lubye which drains into the Sabie


... of course I never drive down on the no entry roads without the necessary permission .


:thumbs_up: That's the key. There are some perfectly legitimate reasons to go down the no entry roads, be it on business or with permission.

I have to admit that seeing no entry signs in parks around the world always pique my curiosity. But I restrain myself. :rtm:

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 Post subject: Re: No entry road's in Kruger
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Am I just slow witted??
If there is a no entry sign, you don't enter!!! :rtm: :rtm:

Unless you are staff or have specific permission.

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 Post subject: Re: No entry road's in Kruger
Unread postPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 5:39 pm 
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gabihotz wrote:
In april 2011 over the easter weekend, we were on our way back to lower sabie camp after spending 2 hours with a pride of 22 lion on the gomodwane loop, we were all ecstatic, when we drove past a no entry road 9km from LS on the main road, my father had spotted a male cheetah about 100-150m down on the no entry road. we observed the cheetah with our binocs from the main road, a man saw that we had stopped and asked us what we had seen. we told him it was a cheetah, he stated that he never had seen a cheetah in the wild before, he drove about 100m down the no entry road, got out his car, walked toewards the cheetah and started taking pictures of it...
never in my life had i ever been so shocked!

:evil: :evil:


Then since you witnessed the event, did you confront them and/or report them?


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 Post subject: Re: No entry road's in Kruger
Unread postPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 6:58 pm 
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Some of these "roads" are mere firebreaks.

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 Post subject: Re: No entry road's in Kruger
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Story told to my dad many years ago by the Vlakteplaas ranger of then :

On one of his routine drives he saw a car in the distance on one of the no entry roads. As he didn't know of anyone else that should be there, he desided to investigate. To his surprise he found an elderly lady (in her late 60's) in a small hatch back car. Upon inquiring why she was there, her reply was : I have been driving on the main road and dirt roads for 2 days now and haven't seen anything. I know that you are hinding all the animals on these roads.

He asked if she had seen many animals on the no entry road, and it seemed to dawn on her that she hadn't. He escorted her to the main road as she had no idea of where she was and kindly asked her to stay of the no entry roads in future.

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 Post subject: To Enter or Not to Enter-The No Entry Road Quandry!
Unread postPosted: Sun Oct 20, 2013 11:11 am 
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During a recent visit to the KNP during June 2013 we "lost" two superior sighting down No-Entry Roads. :wall:

Early one morning we had turned down to a dam off the S28 and came across a pride pf lions confronting a Civet. After about 10 minutes witnessing an Epic Battle... the Civet ran down a No-Entry Road with the Lions in tow.

Another occasion saw us find the Skukuza Pack of Wild Dogs between the Causeways and we followed then until they disappeared down another No-Entry Road!!! ARRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH!

What to do?

What do you all suggest?

Follow the sighting or call it a day?

We were good on both occasions and did not follow... both times we were the only vehicle and could easily have pulled an illegal move...

Would one get into serious trouble following these once in a life time opportunities?


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 Post subject: Re: To Enter or Not to Enter-The No Entry Road Quandry!
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Yes, you would have been fined heavily if caught.

There are good reasons for no entry roads. Some lead to the section ranger's house and apart from privacy issues, access is required 24 hours a day so they can get to emergencies. Most of the roads are single track so imagine having to negotiate a parked vehicle when you need to get somewhere quickly, say to a report of a fire or poaching incident.

Another is that they aren't well maintained and should you damage your vehicle a) you wouldn't be insured b) you may well be stuck there for a while as there won't be much traffic to rescue you.

So sorry, you just have to shrug and say "ah well" and be thankful you saw anything at all.

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 Post subject: Re: To Enter or Not to Enter-The No Entry Road Quandry!
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Hi, SeanP

Please stick to the tourists' roads. The No-Entry roads are meant for management purposes and not for tourists. Most of this roads are fragile and require to be rehabilitated everytime a vehicle drives on them. We understand how important this sightings are to you but driving on a management road is prohibited in the park. With the current scourge of rhino poaching we will discourage people from using No- Entry roads at all costs. Finding yourself in a place you are not suppose to might be difficult to convince rangers and soldiers that you were after a sighting.

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 Post subject: Re: To Enter or Not to Enter-The No Entry Road Quandry!
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We as a family are too scared to go down a "No entry" road, firstly we don't want to be caught and secondly we never know what is waiting for us further down the road, maybe our vehicle will get stuck or we might come across something that we are not supposed to see. Just be satisfied with your part of the sighting that you did see and move on.........the Kruger never ever disappoints......................... :roll: :roll:

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 Post subject: Re: To Enter or Not to Enter-The No Entry Road Quandry!
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As tempting as it was... common sense prevailed... Thank you for all of your responses Mites! :tongue:


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 Post subject: Re: To Enter or Not to Enter-The No Entry Road Quandry!
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Wise words from Sara and Stephens.................NO ENTRY means just that!!!! :rtm: :rtm:

Having said that Sean, I am not unsympathetic to you losing good sightings!!! :cry: :cry:

All credit to you for doing the right thing!!!! :thumbs_up:

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 Post subject: Re: To Enter or Not to Enter-The No Entry Road Quandry!
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As everyone has said above, "no entry" means just that. I have been on "no entry" roads in SANParks vehicles and they are sometimes almost undriveable. In one case we had to turn back, with difficulty, because the track was washed away.

I have also "lost" good sightings down a "no entry" road and have just sighed and shrugged my shoulders - would not dream of following!

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