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 Post subject: Elephants: North vs. South
Unread postPosted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 3:07 pm 
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My wife and I are regular KNP visitors and we will be going in April again.
I've recently been introduced to these forums by a friend and it's so nice to see so many people who share such a passion for our wildlife!

On our last visit in Feb 2009 we stayed in Lower Sabie and Sirheni and to us it seemed that there was a huge difference in temperament between the Elephants in the north vs. the south.
In fact I'm seriously considering that perhaps the Elephants in the north don't like our car, which is a black SUV. (maybe they think it's a buffalo or something LOL)

I've been told that the elephants in the north don't see as many vehicles and therefore aren't used to them, but I can't really believe this as the KNP has been around for so many years.
Has anyone else experienced this behaviour between the 2 regions?


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 Post subject: Re: Elephants: North vs. South
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Warm welcome WillBen, very glad you have joined us. :clap:

Last year we spent a month in the park traveling from the South to North and back South again.
In my personal opinion we didn't really find the Ellies up North any more aggressive than their Southern cousins.
But I have heard some people say that they find the Northern ones worse, so I guess it depends on which one you come across at any particular time. :wink:
We were chased backwards once up near Punda Maria, not a real threat, but he won! 8)
but then we have had that happen down South as well.
I would perhaps say that because the Southern ones are more used to traffic volume and noise than the others, could maybe make a difference. :?

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 Post subject: Re: Elephants: North vs. South
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I believe that the volume of traffic does make a difference. If I take KNP ellies in general and compare with Addo ellies I am always amazed at the complete disregard those in Addo have for cars etc. Addo is small and plenty of ellies although I dont know how the density compares with KNP. In fact to my mind at Addo they are on the verge of not being "wild" animals. I can therefore well imagine that in the south of KNP they are less inclined to be agressive than in the north. However whether in north or south of KNP I look upon it as their domain and treat them with respect.

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 Post subject: Re: Elephants: North vs. South
Unread postPosted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 8:09 pm 
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I agree with Elsa.
Travelled KNP from north to south and back up and behaviour of ellies in both areas seemed the same.
Only difference we found was in numbers, up north we found a lot of lone bulls and they seemed bigger than down south.
Maybe just my impression but northern area is also well known for its big tuskers.

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 Post subject: Re: Elephants: North vs. South
Unread postPosted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 8:52 pm 
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The Eliies up north is just bigger & more playfull, 8) Agression is not on their cards IMHO. :whistle: :whistle:

They do get more irritated by cars sometimes as in the north, peeps keep away mostly. :thumbs_up:

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 Post subject: Re: Elephants: North vs. South
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Afternoon Twigga, this is one of the big boys we met up Punda Maria area he was HUGE! but behaved even at close range!
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 Post subject: Wilder Animals up North?
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Did anyone notice that the game north of the park are a lot wilder and more scared of humans than in the south? For example:

December {2009} we drove from Shingwedzi towards Punda Maria, it was very early in the morning and the sun has just started showing its light when I saw eight figures lying in the road.
From experience I knew that this was Lions so I basically idled towards them, but they never gave us a chance to get close to them.
They ran into the bush and we never got to see them.
The same thing happened when we drove from Shingwedzi towards Mopani, the lioness's and their cubs wasn't very inviting! :huh:
Animals like Elephants and Buffalo are also a lot more aggressive than in the south.
We were driving on the Loop around Punda Maria when an elephant suddenly started to chase us, he ran over a small tree to get to us, this was unexpected as the herd looked very calm and relaxed.

Down in the Southern parts the lions sleeps in the middle of the road with the cars struggling to get past them.

Has anyone else encountered the same kind of behaviour between northern and southern animals?

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 Post subject: Re: Even Wilder Animals
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I have experienced the same with buffalo and elephant. The furthest north I have seen cat is Mopani. The lion was right next to the road, and did not seem to bothered by us.

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 Post subject: Re: Even Wilder Animals
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I don't think they are wilder it is just that the northern animals are not as use to cars than the southern part. Most visitors go south and leave the north for us to enjoy.

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 Post subject: Re: Even Wilder Animals
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I seem to remember in the 90's the consensus was that the elephant's in the North was more relaxed as there was less cars to deal with... :hmz:

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 Post subject: Re: Even Wilder Animals
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michel367 wrote:
Did that happen just under Mopani near Mooiplaas Leopard74? :hmz:

No it was on the Gravel loop around Punda Maria. I made a friend at Punda who said that they were coming to Punda for years and they also had experiences with Elephants, where they just start chasing you without any signal of irritation etc.

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 Post subject: Re: Even Wilder Animals
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Around Mooiplaas there is one too. :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: Even Wilder Animals
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ndloti wrote:
I believe the animals up north are not as happy with diesel cars as those down south , also they know by now that in general the vehicles up north travel more slowly than those down south and that they stand a chance of catching them , also there are more people down prepared to act as witnesses to this abberant behaviour in court ?

So what you're actually trying to say is that it's on big consipiracy? The animals down south makes as humans relaxed, then when we get up north the plot thickens! They take us down one by one in an attempt to gain territory advantage :sniper: !!
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 Post subject: Re: Even Wilder Animals
Unread postPosted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 8:39 am 
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It was known that you needed to be extra vigilant around the ellie's in the Pafuri area as they were a lot more aggressive. The explanation I received was that the ellie's had crossed into Kruger from Gonorezhou National Park due to hunting and poaching, and were therefore aggressive towards humans.

Possibly the Punda ellie's are also from Gonorezhou, hence their aggression.

Elephants tend to move into safer areas when there is hunting and such going on,


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