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Re: "Ketties" & Monkeys

Unread postby ecojunkie » Wed Dec 30, 2009 3:56 pm

DB :thumbs_up: - and that is why the very next person who tells me that they are only feeding the birds and not the monkeys is going to have to explain to me how I can also communicate with the monkeys!
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Re: "Ketties" & Monkeys

Unread postby Bush Baptist » Wed Dec 30, 2009 4:28 pm

Every question has a simple answer DB.

The scorpion in the chalet at 2R was escorted out, the bat was endured, the geckos at Grootkolk were funny after the original skriks.
I agree, we need to be tolerant to what lives there after we have gone.
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When I was in Baviaanskloof, all the baboons ran away from us (we were not THAT ugly).
They were obviously not hand fed.
Baboons and monkeys have been feeding themselves for centuries.
It is NOT NATURAL for monkeys to come into your camp while you are there.
They have been lured there by hand feeders.
It is not the monkey's presence that is the problem - I am happy with that - but it is his intentions based on being fed in the past.
Also what do the tribal people who live in those areas do?

Because of people thinking it is 'cute' to feed the animals (& birds EJ - I agree with you) they have unnatural expectations and have developed cunning tactics to get food that was not intended for them.
I saw it in November at Mlondozi and was a victim of it at the lookout site near Olifants.
I also saw them run into the shop at Letaba and steal human food.

Clearly humans are to blame, but there is nothing I can do to reverse it, but if you want to stand by and watch your food supply being plundered in front of your eyes that is your prerogative, but my catty, with some nearby shots, sends a message that I am going to defend mine.
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Re: Monkeys in the Camps

Unread postby Hippotragus » Mon Jan 11, 2010 4:40 pm

We were at Satara in early December 2009 and there is a monkey problem there, too.
I saw them empty someone's fridge and cupboards.

There is a notice, in small print, on the door of the chalet, warning people of the monkeys.
Problem is that not everyone will read (or understand) the notice.
As I said in another post, the staff at Reception should verbally warn people about the monkeys when they hand them their keys and explain how to prevent "robberies".
I don't think everyone realises how clever and quick the monkeys are.

We put luggage straps around the fridge and freezer and then turn them around, so the monkeys can't open the doors.
Putting a chair in front of the fridge door does not work - they have discovered how to move the chair!
All our other food, drinks etc. is kept in black plastic boxes in the chalet bedroom (not much space, but saves losses).

We have also had monkey problems at various picnic sites - we keep someone on watch when cooking breakfast, but even so have had things snatched by a speedy monkey in a split second.
I have even had a vervet monkey bare its teeth at me - would be terrifying/dangerous for a small child.

The unpalatable solution is probably to shoot a couple every now and again.
Some visitors don't like this solution in a Game Reserve but don't realise that the problem was probably started by people leaving scraps for the monkeys/birds.

It is a "Catch 22" for the KNP management - whatever they do or don't do will be unpopular with someone.
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Re: Monkeys in the Camps

Unread postby bert » Mon Jan 11, 2010 4:55 pm

luggage straps :thumbs_up:

Monkeys and birds and clever enough to understand where humans eat and stay you might find food.
If they did not get fed (have never seen anybody feeding a monkey or baboon in camp.
But suppose it does happen) there are always trash cans, leftovers and the restaurants etc.
If SANparks does take out a group of monkeys pestering a camp i believe it will only be a matter of time before another group moves in.

After all, its a great food source and any group of monkeys would like to "own" the place.
And this is on the website under warnings on the Kruger home page
Monkeys, Baboons and Bushbuck
Monkeys, baboons and tame bushbuck are very cute and can be entertaining for young and old, BUT PLEASE DO NOT FEED THEM.
Remember that by feeding them, you are signing their death warrant, as they become aggressive and may have to be destroyed.
By feeding these animals you do not only aggravate the situation but you also make these animals lazy and they become dependent on this food supply.
The same applies to animals you may encounter along the fences of the camps in KNP, including Hyaena.
Do not throw food to them or attempt to touch or tease them.

Before going out in the morning in search of animals please make sure that you have put all foodstuffs securely away.
Remember that these monkeys and baboons have learnt to open up fridge doors and cupboards.


Know that the new bungalows at Lower Sabie has a steel grid in front of the cupboards which can be locked with a padlock and key (monkey proof)
Same kinda grid door in front of the fridge

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Re: Monkeys in the Camps

Unread postby ndloti » Mon Jan 11, 2010 5:21 pm

Note that feeding birds also contributes to the problem , even if there are no monkeys obviously visible to the eye , the message gets sent via the bush telegraph (sounds , animal movements and behavioural patterns) that food is readily available .
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Re: Monkeys in the Camps

Unread postby ecojunkie » Mon Jan 11, 2010 5:42 pm

I warn all folk coming to Malelane camp - but still find folk leaving food about, not using the baboon proof bins we do have for food scraps, and even throwing scraps and 'rotten' food out for the birds and animals :wall: :wall: :wall: :wall: Even found some staff doing the same! Sheer frustration.
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Re: Monkeys in the Camps

Unread postby ecojunkie » Mon Jan 11, 2010 6:40 pm

Please, please, please....... If you see people actually feeding animals/birds report them immediately so something can be done about it. Either call the camp manager or report to the Emergency number if not in camp.
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Re: Monkeys in the Camps

Unread postby missings.a.! » Tue Jan 12, 2010 11:07 am

It is truly shocking and I expect, as elsewhere, there will only be real action when there is a tragedy.

The problem cannot only be caused by people feeding them. They know there is easy food if they attack the chalets and many of their young likely only know of raiding the human camps as a way of finding food.

They probably have no idea how to go out and gather food as they should.

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Re: Monkeys in the Camps

Unread postby Bush Baptist » Tue Jan 12, 2010 1:12 pm

It seems that monkeys are a problem in most camps and picnic spots now. I don't see a solution short of electrified fencing that is sufficiently away from trees, or shooting some of the culprits - monkeys not humans - but that will cause an uproar. If it happens, it needs to be done in full view of tourists so that it makes sufficient impact on those present that they become ardent ambassadors against feeding of animals.

Otherwise trap and transport.
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Re: Are tents safe from Baboons

Unread postby ecojunkie » Mon Feb 01, 2010 7:18 am

Baboons and monkeys can be a problem and have learned to get into tents in some camps.
Keeping food secure is vital.
Perhaps even keep non canned items in your car with you rather than leave them in the tent.
If you leave a cooler box in the tent make sure you have a rope or luggage strap around it to prevent the raiders from opening it.
A small padlock to keep the zip ends together is also useful as some can open zips!

Ask at reception if there is a problem and ask fellow campers too.
Sometimes the problem is intermittent rather than constant.

Never give food scraps to any animal or bird, it will just encourage them to look for more - and lead to many other problems too.
Use baboon proof bins for any rubbish to help discourage the raiders.
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Re: Are tents safe from Baboons

Unread postby Shidzidzii » Mon Feb 01, 2010 8:09 am

The important thing is that fresh food must not be left where the smell will attract any animals , birds or insects . Unopened tins and bottles are safe stored outside (but not soft packaging such as chocolates and potato crisps) .
However when camping (and in permanent accomodation for that matter ) all foodstuffs must be inside a lockable container such as a coolbox or fridge . Because this may still give off an aroma the temptation will be there to break into a tent or caravan (and even a bungalow) to investigate . Therefore the only safe place is storing the coolbox inside the vehicle when away from the tent .
Leave the tent to return to as sleeping accomodation only .
I have seen a few times already how a caravan or bungalow left with open windows is raided because there are foodstuffs (even non -perishables) lying inside .
It is now an ingrained habit to keep all foods inside a container or fridge and physicaly lock it closed . If it dosn't have a lock or clasp I tape it closed with DUCT TAPE including the SANPARKS refrigerators which don't have clasps fitted .

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Re: Are tents safe from Baboons

Unread postby DinkyBird » Mon Feb 01, 2010 10:22 am

I have left food in tupperware containers thinking no way the monkeys would get to it ... ha ha ha! They did.

I have had monkeys run off with a well closed and sealed stainless steel sugar container - they could not open it, but took it anyway. I daresay hoping to open it at a later stage.

If they cannot smell food in your tent, it will be perfectly safe. I suggest you keep as much as you can with you in the boot of your car.
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Re: Are tents safe from Baboons

Unread postby ecojunkie » Mon Feb 01, 2010 10:30 am

Yes - at our camp the monkeys will steal any container or item that looks as if it might contain something interesting that they can carry away! They have even stolen medicines from a car which had open windows.
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Re: Are tents safe from Baboons

Unread postby Senyetse » Mon Feb 01, 2010 10:36 am

I have found that Vervet monkeys tend to be more of a problem than baboons.

Yes do not keep any food inside your tent, they will tear a nylon tent to get inside - happened to us once even though there was no food inside. And yes they can open tent zips so try to secure the zip with a padlock or wire.

Do not leave any food unguarded for even a second, they are so fast and nimble that they will grab food from right under your nose if you're not concentrating. Always ensure all food is out of sight at all times. Then you should not have any problems.
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Re: Are tents safe from Baboons

Unread postby Rooies » Mon Feb 01, 2010 10:42 am

I use an army "trommel" (trunk) for al the food stuff. A bit bulky, but if you are driving a double cab bakkie (I think you call it a truck in the USA, like the Ford F250) there will be enough space to lock away almost all your food.
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