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Yip, we're here ... BBL then I'll give it a try. :)

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Ok sonbessie you are making my tired old brain think back a few years but let us try

Pincushion protea (and other Lucodendrons) and one of the indigenous ants. If I remember the problem with one of the alian (argentinian??) ants is that it eats the whole seed instead of taking the seed down beneath the surface and only consuming the fleshy skin.

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Jeanus, look at the time of our posts :shock:

well put, don't think I can do better :wink:

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Jeanus, I'm sure you're on to something with the pincushion and the ants and think worth exploring a bit more :)
... but the relationship I was thinking of is the one between the bearded protea and the Cape Sugar bird.
Carol Beuchat from Arizona did some research a few years ago on this issue.
She found that during the Cape sugar bird's winter breeding season, the main source, and often only source of food, came from the bearded protea. The Protea's hairy tips protect thick nectar from being washed away by rain. To a sugar bird the protea is a pot of gold!
In return for this favour the sugar bird becomes a crucial pollinator for the plant. In fact there are only 9 species of birds, upon which 400 species of plants depend on for pollination.
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Jeanus, you did afterall mention a protea...the floor is yours


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Ok here is an easy one

A mutualistic relationship between a bird (clue: with a call that can become like chinese water torture if it is outside your office on a hot day) and one of my favorite genus of trees

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I am leaning towards the African green Pigeon (with it's liquid like whistles :lol: ) and the Ficus trees that it loves so much.

Relationship being the tree providing the fruit to eat and the seeds being distibuted by the pigeon. :dance:

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I accept rangerboy but only because somehow between my inability to survive well in the electronic age and this computer I lost the most important part of the question - so over to you.

For a bit of a challange see if you can aswer the complete question

A mutualistic relationship between a bird (clue: with a call that can become like chinese water torture if it is outside your office on a hot day) and a hemi parasite often found in one of my favorite genus of trees

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Jeanus wrote:
A mutualistic relationship between a bird (clue: with a call that can become like chinese water torture if it is outside your office on a hot day) and a hemi parasite often found in one of my favorite genus of trees


Are you speaking about Mistletoe (Voëlent)? It is a hemiparasitic plant that is transmitted by birds. The fruit is eaten, but the seed often get stuck to the beak of the birds because of the sticky fruit pulp. This is then rubbed of on a branch of another tree, where the new parasite can grow.

The tree involved could be one of many, maybe Ziziphus mucronata (Buffalo thorn / Blinkblaar-wag-'m-bietjie) or one of the Combretum or Acacia family?

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Yebo for the relationship now based on the clue

(clue: with a call that can become like chinese water torture if it is outside your office on a hot day)

got any idea on the bird[/quote]

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Yebo Imberbe for the relationship now based on the clue

(clue: with a call that can become like chinese water torture if it is outside your office on a hot day)

got any idea on the bird?

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Jeanus your question is like water torture :lol:

OK, looking for a relationship between a butterfly and another insect. The butterfly is very rare in South Africa, all specimens are only found in one province from a certain area.

1) Name the 2 species involved
2) What sort of relationship do they have?
3) Where can you find these little guys?

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1) Brenton Blue Butterfly Orachrysops niobe and Camponotus ants

2) It is a parasitic relationship. Caterpillars are taken into ants nests by the ants, where they feed on larvae and pupae, and so are parasites of the colony.

3) Western Cape, Brenton-on-sea, near Knysna


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I was aiming for the Karkloof Blue, from KZN in the Midlands Meander on the farm Warhoonga. And the Camponotus Natalensis ant :D but you're up TaraLB. :clap:

Just to get everyones mind ticking...

...is the relationship parasitic because the caterpillars secrete a sugar substance for the ants ? And it is only in the latter stages of development that the caterpillars eat ant larvae, before that the ants feed them their host plant. And when the caterpilars develop into butterflies the ants try and eat them.

Is there a name for this type of "Multi-relationship"? (This is not a quiz question, that is up to TaraLB :lol: , I am just searching for answers in a world full of questions.)

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