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 Post subject: Lower Sabie vs Shingwedzi
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Okay, I’ve got a dilemma, any advice/convincing otherwise would be highly appreciated. We’re on our way to Kruger end January 2015. 6 nights at Olifants camp in a BBD2V and from there it is 4 nights at Lower Sabie in a LST2U. Now all of a sudden that itch starts. North or South. We’ve never visited the North, highest up was Letaba, and we always spend the last part of our holiday in Lower Sabie. Now I am considering Lower Sabie or Shingwedzi. We are not too bothered by what we might or might not see, being in Kruger is big enough a blessing . What will your decision be if you could choose between the two and why? I for one consider going North, especially to visit Crooks Corner and even exit the park via Punda Maria.
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This trip will also be the first time I do a TR :tongue:

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 Post subject: Re: Lower Sabie vs Shingwedzi
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If you have not spent time in the North, I would suggest you give it a shot. The biggest plus IMO is less people by far. Also now is the best season for birds in the North. Pafuri picnic site is wonderful as is Crooks Corner. Always great game and a very nice pool for the hot days.


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 Post subject: Re: Lower Sabie vs Shingwedzi
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Seeing that you are not too concerned about sightings and that you have never been north of Letaba I will definately go Shingwedzi. A very special place and a must do.

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 Post subject: Re: Lower Sabie vs Shingwedzi
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Leervis, less people around is for sure a big plus. What it the vegetation like from Shingwedzi and further North?
I was thinking there might be better birding opertunities in the North especially during Summer
Can one travel from Shingwedzi to Pafuri or Crooks Corner and back in one day?

Pietskiet, it will be a first for me so it will be a whole new experience.

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 Post subject: Re: Lower Sabie vs Shingwedzi
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RemiE I just love the north of the park and Shingwetzi is very special, so I would do it if I were you, Will be very different to the south with not as many sightings but the north of the park has a very special charm

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 Post subject: Re: Lower Sabie vs Shingwedzi
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One cannot beat Lower Sabie for sightings, but you say that is not No. 1 to you, so give Shingwedzi a shot.

1. We found Shingwedzi camp to be spotless and well maintained with a lovely pool. It is peaceful too.
2. There might not be an animal around every corner, but we saw lion, many, many crocs on a buffalo in the river bed 2km from camp, and the drives around that area are beautiful. Birding is great!
3. I suggest if you do 4 nights, to do one day along the Kanniedood dam road (do sunset drives down to the dame too taking all the loops), another to Red Rocks and a must do is the S56, and take a day to go to Pafuri and Crooks Corner. It is doable, especially when you can leave camp at 4.30am.

Vegetation? 90% mopani, lol. But the areas around the rivers are stunning.

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 Post subject: Re: Lower Sabie vs Shingwedzi
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Carol g wrote:
Will be very different to the south with not as many sightings but the north of the park has a very special charm


Thank you Carol g. I think we will get our fair share of sightings around Olifants, but that charm of the North you refer to mmmmmmmmmm better see what I can put together (SO have no clue as of yet :mrgreen: )
I'm going to need a whole lot of convincing

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so give Shingwedzi a shot.


Thank you DB for those pointers and to drive roads. We normally park our car under a tree close to water and wait. Look, we love Lower Sabie and its animals but maybe it is time for something new.
What facinates me about Shingwedzi is the history, potential scenery and fact that there is less people around. Also the chance of maybe seeing some rare antelope and visiting new places? My only worry is, it is rainy season and we might run the risk of having dirt roads closed. At Lower Sabie even when it rained, there are a great deal of tar roads to pick and choose from :mrgreen:

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 Post subject: Re: Lower Sabie vs Shingwedzi
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Shingwedzi!! It is a lovely camp and you can get up to Pafuri, Punda Maria etc from there. No Big 5 round every corner, but you do stand a chance of seeing them during your stay up north.

Lower Sabie is a far busier camp. Lovely views of the river and good game viewing ares nearby.

We have stayed at both recently and I think Shingwedzi wins my vote.

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 Post subject: Re: Lower Sabie vs Shingwedzi
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I don't think you will be disappointed in spending time in Shingwedzi Remi!
We have done the trip to Crook's easily from there, just make sure you leave early, then its a nice easy drive.
As others have said the Kanniedood road is just stunning scenery.
Also a drive via Red rocks to Tshanga lookout well worth it.

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RemiE wrote:
My only worry is, it is rainy season and we might run the risk of having dirt roads closed. At Lower Sabie even when it rained, there are a great deal of tar roads to pick and choose from :mrgreen:

Based on the past two years, this is a valid concern. But remember it will have to just about flood again. But who knows what the weather holds in store, so it is a risk. There is talk of this being a dry year, but I have no idea if that is accurate or not.

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 Post subject: Re: Lower Sabie vs Shingwedzi
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Thank you Hippotragus, Elsa and DB for your advice. Must say, it is nice to see the big 5 but Kruger have so much more to offer and from what I read now about the scenery? Wow, it might be the best ‘first’ for me. I agree, Lower Sabie is always busy…….but with good reason. Crooks Corner, Kanniedood road, Red Rocks, Tshanga Lookout and then Babalala Picnic Site….all sounds so idyllic. DB I think I need to pack a yellow dingy, you know, just in case. Thank you for all the advice, so far it seems Lower Sabie can be skipped till next time………now to bombarded SO with all the pro’s :P and make the switch from South to North.
One more thing, would it be possible to drive back from Shingwedzi through Punda Maria back to Johannesburg in one day?

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 Post subject: Re: Lower Sabie vs Shingwedzi
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RemiE - Hilda and barryels drove from Shingwedzi to Pretoria in one day in October. I'm sure one of them can tell you exactly how long it took. I know they left camp as soon as the gates opened.

Shingwedzi to Punda Maria is only 75 km (2 hours steady driving) I've got a note that, in May this year, when we left Punda Maria at 7.30 a.m. we got back to Kyalami at 14.00. That might give you some idea.

Good luck with the planning!

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 Post subject: Re: Lower Sabie vs Shingwedzi
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RemiE, Shingwedzi is one of our most favourite camps. It gives this feeling of peace and quiet, as if you are hundreds of miles from anywhere. It does not have the hustle and bustle within the camp like some of those further south and feels like the Kruger of the old days.

Yes you wont get the Big 5 round every corner, but we have seen all except Rhino in the north. We also spotted Cheetah between Punda and Shingwedzi. The loops and riverine bush is absolutely amazing. Wonderful drives and each evening my SO and I take a picnic basket with some refreshments and snacks and go for a short drive before gates close and park off under a tree with a view of the river and enjoy the sights and sounds of the bush as the day comes to a close :D

As you :D see I am mad about this camp :lol: and we will be there soon and one of our drives is to Pafuri....birding at this time of the year is fantastic.

Do yourself a favour and convince the SO....you wont be sorry. :dance: :dance:

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