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Unread postby Jumbo » Mon Oct 29, 2007 1:33 pm

Thank you J-ms, Deefstes and Johann.
I’m a bit :redface: about the Brown Snake-Eagle…definitely not a difficult bird to ID. I however looked at the bare legs and went searching between all the Hawks….lekker dof :roll:

As for the Goshawk…I’m completely confused. Both the Gabar and Dark Chanting juveniles in my book has white under the chin which my bird don’t have…is it the way it might be sitting or is it in a stage where it is between juvenile and adult plumage?

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Unread postby Snoobab » Mon Oct 29, 2007 2:07 pm

Jumbo wrote:As for the Goshawk…I’m completely confused. Both the Gabar and Dark Chanting juveniles in my book has white under the chin which my bird don’t have…is it the way it might be sitting or is it in a stage where it is between juvenile and adult plumage?


Yes it is at the stage where it would be called a sub adult and not a juvenile.

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Unread postby LaeveldLeeu » Wed May 21, 2008 4:00 pm

Saw this one on the Phabeni tar road busy eatings something. As far as I can read they are not a common sighting.
Has anyone else seen one?
Am I correct with the ID?

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Unread postby Batmad » Wed May 21, 2008 4:13 pm

unfortunatly i have not seen one, but i bet you people like wildtuinman have :twisted:

just jokes :mrgreen: i mean he probaley has seen one and i am envieng him :lol:

i will try to find one next time i go to KNP!

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Unread postby wildtuinman » Wed May 21, 2008 4:41 pm

Unfortunately I can't agree with the eagle id.

I would say that it is a either a young ovambo sparrowhawk or a young dark chanting goshawk.

The white eyebrow(Ovambo), yellow eye(goshawk) and yellow/orange legs are pointers to this. Gabar goshawk has a white rump, not visible from these two pictures, which rules it out.

Now, which one would I pick? :hmz:
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Unread postby wildtuinman » Wed May 21, 2008 4:45 pm

Unfortunately the legs of a southern banded snake-eagle are grey and it has a large grey head. The tail is also shorter than this picture shows.

The chosen habitat for it would be coastal evergreen forests, riverine forest and open woodland in marshy areas. Non of the habitats in Kruger really fits this.

Geezlike, everything screams Ovambo Sparrowhawk in me. But that yellow eye bugs me.

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Unread postby Batmad » Wed May 21, 2008 5:00 pm

looked it up in the bird book and it looks like a juv. dark chanting goshawk.
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Unread postby wildtuinman » Thu May 22, 2008 6:17 am

Young Ovambo Sparrowhawk definitely has a dark brown eye and a dark ear patch.

Which will exclude it from the contenders list.

This is a young Dark Chanting Goshawk.

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Unread postby Nannie » Sun Jul 27, 2008 11:01 pm

Saw this to-day and not sure what it is that the DCG is holding here,visible at the bottom of the branch.Is this normal food as my old Roberts states "said not to harm chickens". Have seen SPCG kill doves up in the KTP,but this ??

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Unread postby wildtuinman » Mon Jul 28, 2008 10:10 am

Nannie, where did you see this?

It looks like a half a Kingfisher it is holding. The bill looks all red, pointing to Brown-Hooded kingfisher. The blue on the chest is throwing me out a bit.

If it is a Brown-Hooded Kingfisher and if I look at the general coloration of the raptor, then I say that this is possibly a Gabar Goshawk and not a Dark Chanting Goshawk.

Do you have any other picture of the bird?
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Unread postby wildtuinman » Mon Jul 28, 2008 2:23 pm

I looked at it again and it would seem that the blue is part of the wing, or what is left of it, dangling across the chest.

I would go with Brown-Hooded Kingfisher(22-24cm). And would strongly consider Gabar Goshawk (28-31cm) and not the much larger Dark Chanting Goshawk(approx 50cm).
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Unread postby Nannie » Mon Jul 28, 2008 7:29 pm

Taken in Lionspruit. Sorry the only other photo was of it in very thick bush and only the head and back were visible,trash it.Both photos were quick takes and the exposure with the cloudy background has necessitated some PS work.When it flew from the bush to the tree and then out of the tree I'm "almost" sure the secondaries feathers were dark.Part of a blue wing dangling across the chest sound's good to me. Thanks.

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Unread postby Bush Baptist » Mon Jul 28, 2008 11:25 pm

It has been 'lightened', so then I go for DCG.
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Re: Identification Help - Raptors

Unread postby herbsza » Thu Aug 28, 2008 3:34 pm

Could someone please help with I.D. to help settle a bet.

A group of us are having a slight differrence of opion on whether this is a Dark chanting goshawk or Pale chanting goshawk ?

Photo of bird taken in the southern part of kruger just before afsaal.

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any help would be appreciated.

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Re: Identification Help - Raptors

Unread postby JoelR » Thu Aug 28, 2008 3:45 pm

Hi herbsza. This is a Dark-chanting Goshawk. Distribution is almost enough to ID this one, since the Pale-chanting G. does normally not occur around Afsaal as it is absent from virtually the whole of Kruger. Besides, from my experience I would say the bird in the photos is clearly to dark to be a PCG.


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