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 Post subject: Re: Identification Help - LBJs
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borrodcor2, welcome to the forum! :D

I think it is a Rufous-naped Lark.

Waiting for the clever okes. :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: Identification Help - LBJs
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 Post subject: Re: Identification Help - LBJs
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 Post subject: Re: Identification Help - LBJs
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Please help me ID this LBJ: I have no idea if its a pipit or lark. It was seen just ouside on Nkhumbe lookout point. Has barring on the chest, and white eye stripe.The tail seems short, with light outer tail feathers.
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 Post subject: Re: Identification Help - LBJs
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My guess would be African Pipit....

The slender up-right stance, Lowe mandible looks to be yellow, streaked back, most abundent pipit in KNP, streaked chest etc.

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 Post subject: Re: Identification Help - LBJs
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Batmad wrote:
My guess would be African Pipit....

The slender up-right stance, Lowe mandible looks to be yellow, streaked back, most abundent pipit in KNP, streaked chest etc.


Looks more like a lark to me. Is Nkhumbe Lookout point located in Krüger?

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 Post subject: Re: Identification Help - LBJs
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JOL yes, Nkhumbe is between Tshokwane and Lower Sabie.

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 Post subject: Re: Identification Help - LBJs
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The bill looks a bit to slender and long for a lark i would think :hmz:

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 Post subject: Re: Identification Help - LBJs
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Your bird and Texas Boer's look very similar to me ..... :)


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 Post subject: Re: Identification Help - LBJs
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Yolandé Oelsen wrote:
JOL yes, Nkhumbe is between Tshokwane and Lower Sabie.

Okay , the location makes one of the clapper larks unlikely , and since , in my opinion , this is no doubt one of the mirafra-larks , I think we are looking at either rufous-naped lark or flappet lark.
The lark-illustrations in the South Africa field guides really aren’t very good , and it is hard to come across decent pictures of flappet lark on the internet , while there are quite a lot of good ones of rufous-naped lark , illustrating well just how variable the species is. One of the good ways of separating the two species is size , with flappet being noticeably smaller than rufous-naped. Of course , it is difficult to judge the size from these photos alone , but maybe you remember something about that yourself , Yolandé?
The mystery bird is a bit scruffy but of these two my guess is rufous-naped lark , based mainly on the shape and size of the bill.

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My guess would be African Pipit....

The slender up-right stance, Lowe mandible looks to be yellow, streaked back, most abundent pipit in KNP, streaked chest etc.

I think the bill is much to heavy for a pipit , and to me the lower mandible seems to be pinkish rather than yellow. Furthermore african pipit would have a much more well-marked head pattern , it would never show the obvious rufous flight feathers and would have a much more whitish and grey-browned general colour tone.

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 Post subject: Re: Identification Help - LBJs
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JOL, it was not the same size as Rufous-naped - I don't think it was that?
This bird is slightly smaller in size.

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Looks a lot like Rufous Naped Lark :D

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 Post subject: Re: Identification Help - LBJs
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Ag okay :roll: maybe I just hoped it would be something else... :lol: Thanks anyway

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 Post subject: Re: Identification Help - LBJs
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Yolandé Oelsen wrote:
Ag okay :roll: maybe I just hoped it would be something else... :lol: Thanks anyway



...and maybe it is? I'm sure you have seen lots more rufous-naped and flappet larks than a European like me , and the observer is always the best person to judge an observation. The only thing I’m really positive about is narrowing the field down to the two species mentioned , but as I said , the illustrations of flappet lark in various books and on the internet are so bad , I don’t dare make the final call for sure – it makes me a bit more confident though , that RJ backs me up on the rufous-naped , which I’m sure he has seen a lot of as well. Just a word of caution: If you try to photo-google the two species (always a good idea) , please beware that there are much to many misidentified birds posted out there!

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 Post subject: Re: Identification Help - LBJs
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JOL - I never even gave this bird a second thought after taking the pics as I was on the "hunt" for Shelleys francolin, a photo of the yellow throated longclaw and afr finfoot. RN lark never even came to mind. :redface:

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