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 Post subject: Identification Help - Raptors
Unread postPosted: Thu Dec 30, 2004 9:09 pm 
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Dear Birders,
Please take note that this topic is regularly “cleaned” by moving the posts of a specific bird that has been positively ID-ed to the specific bird topic for all to use when trying to ID their bird sightings, and also to read all the interesting discussions about the birds while ID-ing them.
Should it be impossible for anybody to give a positive ID for a bird for some reason or another, it will be taken out, because it serves no purpose.
Go to Index to Birds Index to Birds and find the topic of the bird you are looking for.

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 Post subject: Identification Help - Raptors
Unread postPosted: Thu Jan 13, 2005 9:03 am 
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Although many of them are large raptors can be tricky to identify especially the brown ones and the young ones. If you have a photo of a raptore which you battle to identify, this is the place to post it.

Remember only Raptors here. If you need a LBJ identified go here and for all other birds you can go here.


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 Post subject: Re: Identification Help - Raptors
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I just want to thank all of the forumites who post their photos of Raptors, and all of the experts and experienced birders who take the time to assist in the identification of these wonderful airborne predators. You have helped my SO and I to become better at identification, and have provided a lot of enjoyment during the major part of the year when we can't be in a South African paradise. Keep up the great work that you all do! :clap: :clap: :clap:

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 Post subject: Re: Identification Help - Raptors
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This is a great site for IDing birds!


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 Post subject: Re: Identification Help - Raptors
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I recently attended a public lecture at the National Zoo, Boom Street, Pretoria, on this magnificent group of birds. The topic was 'Birds of Prey: their identification and behaviour' and the presenter was Ulrich Oberprieler. This lecture informed us on how to differentiate between the various species, how to get to know the specific groups, their habitat preferences and interesting behaviours. It was such an excellent lecture, well presented, outstanding photos, logical and systematic approach with a very good touch of humor. Not a moment of boredom. (An in-depth 3-day course is planned in June / July 2011)

The lecture was followed by a most enjoyable bring and braai, with them supplying fires, tables and chairs - for only R50.00 per person at the time - a fantastic outing in the middle of a city with the calls nocturnal animals and the sight of sleeping penguins around one. Highly recommended.
If you are not living in, or close to, Pretoria, take heart - buy Ulrich's raptor identification guide - The raptor guide of Southern Africa, Authors: Burger Cillie; Ulrich Oberprieler (and/or the Bird guide of Southern Africa by : B. Cillie and U. Oberprieler) available at leading bookstores or http://www.kalahari.net

For information on future lectures contact: Tel: 012 339 2700 / e-mail: info@nzg.ac.za,
or Rubeena Sampson on Tel: 012 339 2775 / e-mail: rubeena@nzg.ac.za.

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 Post subject: Re: Identification Help - Raptors
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Hi - not sure of this raptor. Seen near Olifants, KNP in end Oct. I could only get this particular view of the bird. It clearly had brown eyes so I was thinking of either a juvenile tawny or juvenile LSE.......


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 Post subject: Re: Identification Help - Raptors
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Tawny Eagle... for me :thumbs_up:

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 Post subject: Re: Identification Help - Raptors
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anne-marie wrote:
Tawny Eagle... for me :thumbs_up:

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"Common and widespread, the Tawny Eagle is a relatively large, handsome bird of prey, with heavily feathered legs. The plumage is generally tawny to rusty brown in colour, often with dark markings on the wings, especially the flight-feathers. Three subspecies are currently recognised, which occupy different geographical regions, and vary slightly in size, markings and colouration. During its first year, the immature Tawny Eagle’s plumage is much paler than the adults, often whitish, especially on the underparts".

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 Post subject: Re: Identification Help - Raptors
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Thanks. I should mention that it did seem small for a tawny, hence the doubt whether it could be a LSE.


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 Post subject: Re: Identification Help - Raptors
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A friend here in Darling saw this raptor in his garden and asked my help to ID it. It's not a great photo and it's the only one and I'm stumped -- particularly by that white on the forehead, which my friend said looked more like skin than feathers?

My initial guess might be black harrier or perhaps European marsh harrier, but really I have no clue. Any ideas?

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 Post subject: Re: Identification Help - Raptors
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It's not a great photo



Unfortunately not, Arks. I can't make out much detail at all apart from obvious long yellow legs and a black body.

It is highly unlikely that it is a Western Marsh-Harrier based on behaviour and habitat. Have you considered Black Sparrowhawk?

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 Post subject: Re: Identification Help - Raptors
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Thanks WTM. I had also considered black sparrowhawk, but thought with the overall solid black of this bird, black harrier was more likely?

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 Post subject: Re: Identification Help - Raptors
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It would be out of character and not normal behaviour for a Black Harrier to visit a garden, but I guess nothing is entirely impossible. Unfortunately the photo is just not good enough for me to make a definite call on this bird.

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 Post subject: Re: Identification Help - Raptors
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Thanks WTM, I agree the photo isn't really much help. Does the black sparrowhawk have an all-black morph?

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 Post subject: Re: Identification Help - Raptors
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No problem, Arks.

Yes, there is an all black morph and it is not too uncommon either.

All sparrowhawks favor tree-covered areas to hunt in and from. They are equipped with short, broad wings and long tails in order to maneuver through this type of habitat to pursue their prey. Hence they are commonly found in residential gardens.

Harriers are all adapted to glide over open wetland and grassland areas where they can drop down on their prey.

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