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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread postby arks » Wed Aug 19, 2015 4:23 pm

this one really has me puzzled :hmz: :hmz: Could it be a juvenile of some sort? Perhaps a honeyguide? Or a sub-adult bokmakierie? I'm baffled! :wall:

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Seen in my garden in Darling in early January 2015.
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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread postby Karin Mitton » Wed Aug 19, 2015 4:35 pm

Bokmakierie perhaps?

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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread postby arks » Thu Aug 20, 2015 4:34 am

Thanks Karin. I guess that's most likely but I'm still not 100% sure .... :hmz:
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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread postby arks » Thu Aug 20, 2015 4:45 am

Here's another that has me puzzled -- and that may be impossible to ID from these rather "obscured" pix. I think that it must be a cuckoo, but I'm not at all sure which one ...... :hmz: Seen in my garden in Darling in late December 2014.

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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread postby arks » Fri Aug 28, 2015 4:02 am

I'm not 100% sure about these two birds ... are they both Karoo chats? Seen at MZNP in mid-July 2015.

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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread postby Karin Mitton » Fri Aug 28, 2015 8:05 am

They both look like familiar chats?

Don't have my books, but from Wikipedia -

The Karoo chat is 16–18 cm long and weighs around 32 gm. Its upperparts are grey, but it has a rufous patch behind the eye, and the tail is black with white outer feathers. Its underparts are white, the short straight bill, legs and feet are black and the eye is dark.

The familiar chat is a dumpy short-tailed bird 14–15 cm long. The adult’s upperparts are dark brown, and the face sides behind the eye are orange. The underparts vary from off-white to pale grey-brown, and the rump and outer tail feathers are orange. The central tail feathers are dark brown. The short straight bill and the legs and feet are black.

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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread postby arks » Fri Aug 28, 2015 12:08 pm

Karin Mitton wrote:They both look like familiar chats?

Don't have my books, but from Wikipedia -

The Karoo chat is 16–18 cm long and weighs around 32 gm. Its upperparts are grey, but it has a rufous patch behind the eye, and the tail is black with white outer feathers. Its underparts are white, the short straight bill, legs and feet are black and the eye is dark.

The familiar chat is a dumpy short-tailed bird 14–15 cm long. The adult’s upperparts are dark brown, and the face sides behind the eye are orange. The underparts vary from off-white to pale grey-brown, and the rump and outer tail feathers are orange. The central tail feathers are dark brown. The short straight bill and the legs and feet are black.

I dn't think so, Karin :hmz: First because of the all-black tail, plus I'm puzzled by the buff -- not white -- edges on the wing feathers :wall:

Let's hope that one of the fundis -- WTM, JvR, DD??? -- can shed some light :pray:
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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread postby arks » Mon Aug 31, 2015 1:58 am

Another that I'm not 100% sure about, might it be a Layard's tit-babbler? Seen at MZNP in mid-July 2015.

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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread postby wildtuinman » Mon Aug 31, 2015 9:51 am

arks wrote:Thanks Karin. I guess that's most likely but I'm still not 100% sure .... :hmz:


I agree with Karin, Bokmakierie.
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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread postby wildtuinman » Mon Aug 31, 2015 9:51 am

arks wrote:Here's another that has me puzzled -- and that may be impossible to ID from these rather "obscured" pix. I think that it must be a cuckoo, but I'm not at all sure which one ...... :hmz: Seen in my garden in Darling in late December 2014.

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Most likely a Red-chested Cuckoo, Arks.
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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread postby wildtuinman » Mon Aug 31, 2015 9:53 am

arks wrote:Another that I'm not 100% sure about, might it be a Layard's tit-babbler? Seen at MZNP in mid-July 2015.

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Bar-throated Apalis?
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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread postby wildtuinman » Mon Aug 31, 2015 9:59 am

arks wrote:
Karin Mitton wrote:They both look like familiar chats?

Don't have my books, but from Wikipedia -

The Karoo chat is 16–18 cm long and weighs around 32 gm. Its upperparts are grey, but it has a rufous patch behind the eye, and the tail is black with white outer feathers. Its underparts are white, the short straight bill, legs and feet are black and the eye is dark.

The familiar chat is a dumpy short-tailed bird 14–15 cm long. The adult’s upperparts are dark brown, and the face sides behind the eye are orange. The underparts vary from off-white to pale grey-brown, and the rump and outer tail feathers are orange. The central tail feathers are dark brown. The short straight bill and the legs and feet are black.

I dn't think so, Karin :hmz: First because of the all-black tail, plus I'm puzzled by the buff -- not white -- edges on the wing feathers :wall:

Let's hope that one of the fundis -- WTM, JvR, DD??? -- can shed some light :pray:


Sorry Arks, I once again can't argue too much with Karin on Familiar Chat. One could perhaps look more into Sickle-winged Chat, but I don't think that the rump is clear enough to spend too much energy on that.
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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread postby arks » Mon Aug 31, 2015 2:47 pm

Many thanks for your replies and IDs, WTM :gflower: I'd not thought of apalis :redface: and I agree that's what that birdie must be :thumbs_up:

I'm still uncertain about the cuckoo, especially as the redchested would be a new bird for me (I know it's a common bird, but I've not yet seen one). Might it just as easily be a juvenile Klass's? Because I did definitely see one of those in my garden a few days later. Or are there distinct differences between the two that I'm missing? :hmz:
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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread postby wildtuinman » Tue Sep 01, 2015 8:43 am

I think you might be correct, Arks. On closer look, the whitish throat certainly doesn't fit Red-chested.

Klaas's or even Dideric would be way closer to the mark. But I still don't think that there is enough in the photos to make a conclusive id.
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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread postby arks » Tue Sep 01, 2015 1:49 pm

Thanks WTM, it will have to remain a "mystery cuckoo" :thumbs_up: :)
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