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 Post subject: Harrier, Montagu's
Unread postPosted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 11:51 am 
This bird has had me scratching my head for quite some time now…We saw it in February near Olifants. I know the photos are terrible…out of focus and I had to crop to get a closer view. From what I can make out, it has a grey head and neck/breast…. brownish barring/strips on the stomach and under the wing. The tips of the wings are black.

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The bill is yellow and just looks plain weird :? ….don’t know if it is just because of the bad photo :redface:

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 Post subject: Re: Identification Help - Raptors
Unread postPosted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 1:35 pm 
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It is a weird-looking bird. Was it hovering?

I was thinking cuckoo-hawk, but the camera must have played dice with the pixels for it to be... the bill doesn't look BoP at all!

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 Post subject: Re: Identification Help - Raptors
Unread postPosted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 1:59 pm 
If I remember correctly, it was gliding…and I only got one photo. :wall: I tell you, have been going back to this photo so many times the past months and it just does not look “right” :?
I uploaded the original photo…un-cropped, unedited (the others I used PS to lighten the shadows a bit to better see the under-wing).
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 Post subject: Re: Identification Help - Raptors
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Jumbo's Bird: Have a look at the Montagu's Harrier, male. A litle too much brown under the wings if I have a look at the illustration in Oberprielers Raptor book, but the rest fits!

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 Post subject: Re: Identification Help - Raptors
Unread postPosted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 8:14 am 
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Imberbe wrote:
Jumbo's Bird: Have a look at the Montagu's Harrier, male. A litle too much brown under the wings if I have a look at the illustration in Oberprielers Raptor book, but the rest fits!

:huh:

Agree with Imberbe on Montagu's Harrier
1. Grey throat and upper breast area
2. Brownish streaking on belly and flanks
3. One can also see what seems to be the black bar on the secondaries (top photo in Jumbo's first post)

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 Post subject: Re: Identification Help - Raptors
Unread postPosted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 9:06 am 
francoisd wrote:
Agree with Imberbe on Montagu's Harrier


I have to say, for me this was also the best fit….and we did see this bird in February…so the timing is right.
Francoisd, you make a very good point about the black bar on the secondaries…that bar is even visible on the original, un-cropped photo.
The mostly brown under-wing might be that this is a sub-adult? :?

I went googling, Flickring again :roll: …ja, ja :lol: …but it helps me if I can look at a actual photo and not just an illustration….the following one, taken in Kuwait, really look very much like “my” bird: MONTAGU.S HARRIER
On THIS site they also mention that the Montagu's Harrier has a long tail…which my bird appears to have.

What do you guys think…would you tick it if this was your sighting? Johann and Francoisd…you guys know some birding gurus…could you please ask one of them for their opinion as well… :pray:
I just do not know how my camera made this bird’s bill look like it is an inbred with a pigeon. :shock:


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 Post subject: Re: Identification Help - Raptors
Unread postPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 7:54 am 
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I asked TG to confirm the ID and he agree on young adult male Mantagu's Harrier. The "young" part he ascribes to the prominent streaking on the underwing coverts

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