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 Post subject: Re: Identification Help - Raptors
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Hi Jen,

Your ID is spot on! Definitely Martial Eagle (juv). The undertail pattern and slight spotting on legs is also typical. Not a ACE, as it would have shown barring on the back of its neck.


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 Post subject: Re: Identification Help - Raptors
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JenB wrote:
Please help? Seen on the S28 just north of Croc bridge (3 days ago).
The darker spots on the side of the head and neck as well as the underwing pattern had me thinking it's juv. Martial eagle but the undertail pattern and spotting on the legs(?) made me take a second look at juv. African Crowned eagle or am I completely off base?

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Hi JenB ,

I agree , this is a young martial eagle for sure! You mention some of the characters yourself , and the tail (seen well on the 3rd pic.) is also good for martial - a crowned would have fewer and broader bands. Don't know about crowned having the back of the neck barred though , Moegaai...?

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 Post subject: Re: Identification Help - Raptors
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Awesome, thanx! :thumbs_up:

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 Post subject: Re: Identification Help - Raptors
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JOL wrote:
Don't know about crowned having the back of the neck barred though , Moegaai...?

Jon


Jon, came to this conclusion from all illustrations and pics I could find of jub Crowned showing barring on the back of the neck. I could be wrong to use this as an ID feature...


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Lovely martial Jen. I saw one at Spier, and it was the same.

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 Post subject: Re: Identification Help - Raptors
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Moegaai wrote:
JOL wrote:
Don't know about crowned having the back of the neck barred though , Moegaai...?

Jon


Jon, came to this conclusion from all illustrations and pics I could find of jub Crowned showing barring on the back of the neck. I could be wrong to use this as an ID feature...

...some individuals certainly shows some mottling on the crown/back of head , which might take the form of barring. However , this area varies quite a bit on young crowned eagles and some are almost completely whiteheaded/-necked. So yes , they can show that character but some (many?) don't.


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 Post subject: Re: Identification Help - General Birds
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Last one for the day .... August in Kruger... Big What is this?

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More to follow later in the week, if there are people to help this dumb budding birder....

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And your other Raptor, is a Immature Fish-Eagle Scott :D

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 Post subject: Re: Identification Help - General Birds
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Rusty Justy wrote:
And your other Raptor, is a Immature Fish-Eagle Scott :D

I think the all-white body rules out african fish eagle , RJ! This bird looks like an immature martial to me!

From my limited knowledge (at the moment!) (I am learning fast and furious :D )

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 Post subject: Re: Identification Help - Raptors
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Jol, I agree with the Martial Eagle :doh: :lol: Very Rushed ID on my behalf!! :thumbs_up:

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 Post subject: Re: Identification Help - Raptors
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Rusty and Jol

Any chance of that bird being, rather than Imm Martial, the pale form of Whalbergs Eagle? The marshal has a dark beak, whereas the bird in the pic has a yellow beak. Further advances on this?

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 Post subject: Re: Identification Help - Raptors
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Scottm wrote:
Rusty and Jol

Any chance of that bird being, rather than Imm Martial, the pale form of Whalbergs Eagle? The marshal has a dark beak, whereas the bird in the pic has a yellow beak. Further advances on this?

Scott

....well , as I’ve said before , I’m not that experienced with wahlberg’s eagle , and given that it’s such a variable raptor , with plumages looking very much like this , it’s certainly a reasonable question , Scott. If you are indeed right that the cere (rather than the beak) is actually yellow , then you really have a good case , and since you have the original pictures , you’re definitely in the best position to judge.
However , I’ve tried to enhance the posted photo , and I’m not really convinced (yet) that it is actually yellow. I admit that it seems to have a slight beige/yellowish tint , but I suspect that it might be a result of the shrubbery in the foreground , which also causes discolouration in other parts of the photo – like on the lower parts of the greater coverts (also yellowish). Furthermore the gape , which should have approximately the same colour as the cere , certainly doesn’t look yellow to me , so maybe you could take another look at the original photo , and tell me if I'm wrong about this?

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 Post subject: Re: Identification Help - Raptors
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Any better to help you (and others) solve this one? Cropped, but untouched.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3417/3404249688_d40ed2e836.jpg?v=0

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 Post subject: Re: Eagle: Martial Eagle
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 Post subject: Re: Identification Help - Raptors
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Bare part colouration seems to be the headline for these two mystery raptors – Scottm’s eagle and Haplo’s goshawk/eagle.

First one’s first: I’ve spent a bit of time looking through pictures of wahlberg’s eagle on the net , which isn’t as simple as it should be , since there are a lot of misidentified birds out there! However , after looking at the ones that I considered to be identified correctly , it seems obvious that wahlberg’s eagle has a bright yellow cere and gape regardless of age – this also fits the illustrations in various field guides. A close look on Scott’s photo shows that the bird doesn’t seem to have a bright yellow cere , and certainly no yellow on the gape at all! In fact , the more I look at the picture , the more convinced I become that what might seem like a faint yellowish cere , is actually a discolouration caused by the some out-of-focus twigs in the foreground. As mentioned earlier , this is also obvious in other parts of the picture , always causing a yellowish discolouration.
Since everything else seems to fit with martial eagle , I’ll stick with my first call on this one , but if anyone disagrees I’m all ears….!

Jon


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