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Re: Identification Help - Raptors

Unread postby Yolandé Oelsen » Fri Aug 29, 2008 2:14 pm

A collegue of my husband has been in Kruger a week ago. He saw this bird near Kruger Gate.
Any help in ID it? :huh:
Could it be a African Goshawk, female, A.t. tachiro? Or a Shikra juvenile?
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It seemed to have caught a Southern Ground hornbill.
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Re: Identification Help - Raptors

Unread postby Yolandé Oelsen » Fri Aug 29, 2008 2:22 pm

Here is two more photos.
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Re: Identification Help - Raptors

Unread postby JoelR » Fri Aug 29, 2008 2:39 pm

My vote goes to African Goshawk, not a common raptor in Kruger by any means and usually only seen in dense riverine bush. However, the markings seem to be spot on. The bird appears to big to be a Shikra - you can compare it nicely to the Souterh Yellow-billed Hornbill that fell prey to the goshawk. The chestbarring on a juv. Shikra would be bolder and patchier. Now what do the others say...?

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Re: Identification Help - Raptors

Unread postby francoisd » Fri Aug 29, 2008 2:58 pm

I agree with JoelR on the female or subadult female African Goshawk ID.

I don't get all 3 images to load completely but:
- The barring is "finer" that would be expected from Shikra where it would more "smudged"
- Baring also more brown that reddish-brown as with female Shikra
- Baring don to the legs also more noticeable than with Shikra
- The cere also look more grey overall than yellow
- And size as mentioned
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Re: Identification Help - Raptors

Unread postby mattjh74 » Tue May 19, 2009 4:20 pm

Any ideas on this - we think it is either a juvenille African Goshawk or African Cuckoo Hawk. Seen 2 weeks ago on Mphongolo Loop, KNP.

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Re: Identification Help - Raptors

Unread postby Rusty Justy » Tue May 19, 2009 6:28 pm

mattjh74, looks like African Goshawk to me, legs are to long for your African Cuckoo Hawk....looks a bit large for juv. Little Sparrowhawk. ..Also appears to have a grey cere, but im not toooo sure...Everything seems to match African though.
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Re: Identification Help - Raptors

Unread postby mattjh74 » Tue May 19, 2009 6:39 pm

Rusty - thanks for your thoughts, I am sure you are right. Good enough for another tick I think!

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Identification Help - Raptors

Unread postby Moegaai » Tue May 19, 2009 7:54 pm

Well, believe it or not, I agree with your ID's! :shock: :twisted:

African Goshawk (imm), those dark-brown blotches on the chest. Legs too long for ACH.

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Re: Identification Help - Raptors

Unread postby Lizet Grobbelaar » Wed May 20, 2009 1:24 pm

Mattjh74 - This is also a juv.African Goshawk (we photographed it at Skukuza camp in March'09) because of size, the brown spots and note the white eyebrow which is also showing in your photographs, typical for juv.African Goshawk.
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Re: Identification Help - Raptors

Unread postby mattjh74 » Wed May 20, 2009 1:33 pm

Lizet

Thanks, that is a lovely photogragh, and I think fairly well confirms mine as the same.

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Re: Identification Help - Raptors

Unread postby Lizet Grobbelaar » Wed May 20, 2009 1:42 pm

Pleasure, now we just need nice close-ups of dark form juv. AHH and BSH. anyone??

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Re: Identification Help - Raptors

Unread postby Rusty Justy » Wed May 20, 2009 1:43 pm

Great pic Lizet :clap:
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Re: Identification Help - Raptors

Unread postby Moegaai » Wed May 20, 2009 2:14 pm

Wow, STUNNING pic Lizet! Well done.

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Re: Identification Help - Raptors

Unread postby mountainview » Wed May 20, 2009 3:10 pm

Incredible! The details are superb ...
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Re: Identification Help - Raptors

Unread postby Lizet Grobbelaar » Wed May 20, 2009 5:34 pm

Thanks guys, 300mm canon


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