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 Post subject: Re: Identification Help - Raptors
Unread postPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2015 3:57 pm 
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Just to reiterate, I am no expert so this could still be a Steppe. :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: Identification Help - Raptors
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Looks like a Tawny Eagle to me.

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 Post subject: Re: Identification Help - Raptors
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wildtuinman wrote:
Looks like a Tawny Eagle to me.


I agree.

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 Post subject: Re: Identification Help - Raptors
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Ok, so no lifer for me this time around. :(

Posting some more pics won't change it into a Steppe, would it? :evil:

Thanks everybody! :D


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 Post subject: Re: Identification Help - Raptors
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Unless you have more photos of the tail or the bird in flight, unfortunately not Naomi. :|

The gape extension is a bit of a debated topic. It is not always very clear as to how far the gape extends and this feature can actually be highly variable on a Tawny Eagle.

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 Post subject: Re: Identification Help - Raptors
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Thanks WTM - unfortunately no "in flight" pics.

Does anyone have Steppe Eagle on their KNP list?


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 Post subject: Re: Identification Help - Raptors
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I am one of I am sure, many others, with the eagle on my KNP list.

It is not a common eagle, but if the conditions (quelea breeding colonies and termite erruptions) are right they can sometimes occur is quite a group!

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 Post subject: Re: Identification Help - Raptors
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KNP is certainly THE place to find them. The trick is to learn about the ID features beforehand so that you know when you are seeing a candidate Steppe eagle. Because they are often confused with Tawny eagles, swot up up them as well.

Know that the appearance of raptors varies drastically as they age and try to get some understanding of how to age the two species.

Once you have a candidate Steppe lined up, be patient (spend time with the bird) and try to get good photographs of the main ID features, especially the underwing patterns and the head (the bill tells a big story!).

Good luck, naomi c.

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 Post subject: Re: Identification Help - Raptors
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Maybe 2015 will be my lucky year for Steppe Eagle (and lots of others!) :D


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 Post subject: Re: Identification Help - Raptors
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Just for my own clarification - so the Steppe Eagle and the Tawny both have oval nostrils but the Steppe's is more oval?


Last edited by salamanda on Fri Jan 16, 2015 3:41 pm, edited 2 times in total.

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 Post subject: Re: Identification Help - Raptors
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I personally do not know of a nostril shape feature to distinguish the two species.

ps: The nostril shape of a Wahlberg's is much more rounder than that of a Tawny.

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 Post subject: Re: Identification Help - Raptors
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About 2 years ago on this forum, there was this debate where some great birders gave me some fantastic tips on distinguishing between Steppe and Tawny. I too had a Tawny that really puzzled me and after some good debating and a little overexposing of the image it was finally ruled as a Tawny.

If I could find that post I would love to share it as it might provide you all with some great tips.


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 Post subject: Re: Identification Help - Raptors
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salamanda wrote:
Just for my own clarification - so the Steppe Eagle and the Tawney both have oval nostrils but the Steppe's is more oval?



Sorry Salamanda, I am confusing myself here. It is the Lesser Spotted Eagle's that can be distinguished from Tawny/Steppe Eagle with it's round nostril shape.

WTM is correct in saying there isn't really a difference in nostril shape between Steppe and Tawny.


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 Post subject: Re: Identification Help - Raptors
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Ok, here is a good example of nostril shape to distinguish between the Spotted Eagles and Tawny/Steppe

First up a Tawny. notice the oval/elongated shape

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Next up a Lesser Spotted Eagle. Round shaped nostril.

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 Post subject: Re: Identification Help - Raptors
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very interesting discusion and nice pictures showing the differences :thumbs_up:
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