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Re: Predator-proof fence extended in Karoo National Park

Unread postby Stoffel » Fri Jan 04, 2013 6:53 am

mh_baer wrote: And the hares that visited our chalet and unfortunately ate the plants that were sprayed with herbizides. :slap:

Is your concern the mere fact that a herbicide was used? Or that it maybe toxic to the hares and other animals?

Unfortunately one sometimes have no other option than to use a herbicide on invader and/or alien plants - especially if it is a perennial plant. And I am sure that officials will not use a herbicide which can be harmful to animals. One of the world's most commonly used herbicides (Roundup) contains the active ingredient glyphosate. The latter was originally developed as an industrial soap, and by mere coincidence the systemic herbicidal effects were discovered.

This was most probably the herbicide used in Karoo to get rid of problem alien plants around the chalets. Glyphosate is safer to animals/humans than table salt. The LD50 of glyphosate is 5 600mg/kg compared to table salt's 3 000mg/kg. In other words - you would need to take in 5 600mg of glyphosate per kg of body weight to give you a 50% chance to die. You need less table salt (3 000 mg per kg of body weight) to die.

As I have said to so many people in the past - you can actually wash your whole body with glyphosate - but it is a very expensive "soap". It also has very low mobility in the soil. The chances of affecting other surrounding non-target plants are extremely low if the spray is directed to the target plant only.

I am certain that SANParks will not use a herbicide that is potentially toxic to animals.
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Re: Predator-proof fence extended in Karoo National Park

Unread postby mh_baer » Fri Jan 04, 2013 2:59 pm

Regarding glyphosate: I'm not a toxicologist. But you can find dissenting opinions about its harmfulness, e.g. from Greenpeace. This is the wrong forum for a discussion about that, therefore I just wanted to mention it.

I am certain that SANParks will not use a herbicide that is potentially toxic to animals

I just wonder why the guy who sprayed it had to wear a surgical mask. :hmz:

And btw: I would have removed the plants faster than him - with a hoe. I do that in our garden regularly.

Such outdated information on the website is indeed misleading. It is quite a considerable time since the lions were released

Imho this would be even more misleeding. Due to the few roads in the park a realistic message would be "The Karoo National Park has lions and black rhinos, but the chance to see them is less than 2%.". Maybe this is not desired - from the marketing point of view. :whistle:

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Windy conditions in Karoo NP

Unread postby Nimrod » Sun Sep 15, 2013 9:52 pm

We stayed in the chalets at KNP from 13 to 15 sep and the wind never stopped once. Is this normal for this time of the year? We almost saw a lion.the vehicle in front of us saw a lion walk into the bush about 500m from the staff quarters.

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Re: Windy conditions in Karoo NP

Unread postby Gilbertr14 » Wed Jan 01, 2014 11:38 am

That area can be pretty windy

No mountains to stop the wind picking up speed.

Interestingly wind is measured on the Beaufort scale, and the town is called Beaufort West.

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Re: Windy conditions in Karoo NP

Unread postby Dave Moore » Thu Jan 02, 2014 7:48 am

We stayed there in 2009 and for a few days the wind didn't stop. In the campsite it was pretty sheltered but we went out for one night to the remote cottage and we thought we were going to be blown away. Unbelievable wind howling around the house all night.
Still love the park though :D

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Re: Windy conditions in Karoo NP

Unread postby Stoffel » Thu Jan 16, 2014 9:47 pm

The Karoo is not for sissies :mrgreen:

A few years ago we were in Shingwedzi for three nights. Knowing that you get good quality steaks in the northern areas of our country, we bought rump steaks at a well known butchery in Tzaneen for all three nights. at a certain stage you could not buy decent braai wood in Kruger, so I bought three bags of good bushveld braai wood in Phalaborwa. When we entered the park that morning it was a bit coolish.

A wind (that we don't have experience about in Kruger) came up early eveningin Shingwedzi. I said to the SO that there is no way that we can light a fire. We took our pan and went to the outdoor kitchen (not having cooking favilities at our accommodation) and fried our first night's steak in the pan. Later that night it started raining. And it rained non-stop until we left the park at Punda Maria gate. We had no chance to light a fire and every night we prepared our steak in a pan at the open kitchen.

We drove all the way in the rain to Pretoria and after sleeping over with relatives we visited another well-known South African tourist facility for 3 nights before where we had dinner in the restaurant every night. We started our return journey and stayed over at a self catering resort where i once again bought a fantastic rump steak in the nearby town to braai that evening (we still had 3 bags of bushveld wood. As we were leaving the town towards the resort, it started raining. And the rain came down right through the night so that we were forced to prepare our rump steak once again in a pan.

The next day we headed for Karoo National Park as our next sleep over point. I said to the SO that we are now entering Karoo lamb area and we stopped in Hopetown to buy some lamb chops and boerewors (sausage) to braai at our chalet that night. The nearer we came to Beaufort West, the stronger the wind became. I have experienced many windy nights in Karoo National Park during my more than 40 visits. But I have never experienced the wind we had that night. Needless to say, we could not dare to light a fire and prepared our lamb chops and boerewors in a pan. And we arrived home in the Cape with 3 bags of lovely bushveld wood.
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Re: Windy conditions in Karoo NP

Unread postby Len Loader » Sat Jan 25, 2014 7:02 pm

Stoffel, can you remember what time of the year it was ? We have camped once in September in Karoo and the rest was done in April/May/June without experiencing strong winds.
Soon in early May 2014 we will be there again.

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Re: Windy conditions in Karoo NP

Unread postby Gilbertr14 » Sat Jan 25, 2014 9:38 pm

Len Loader wrote:Stoffel, can you remember what time of the year it was ? We have camped once in September in Karoo and the rest was done in April/May/June without experiencing strong winds.
Soon in early May 2014 we will be there again.

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April/May/June best time of the year in the cape.
November to March windy period. Image

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Re: Windy conditions in Karoo NP

Unread postby Stoffel » Thu Jan 30, 2014 6:27 pm

Len

That was during October. And if my memory does not fail me, it was in 2002.

We were camping in the park for two weeks during May 2013. The evenings were sometimes a bit coolish, but most of the days were perfect sunny late autumn/early winter days. My first camping visit to the park was in 1994 (when I started caravaning) in June - on our way to Kruger. I can remember that was also quite an unpleasant windy night.
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Fridge Size in the Double Bed Cottages C03

Unread postby ebeneke » Tue Apr 15, 2014 12:30 pm

Hi

We are visiting the Karoo National Park end of April for 6 nights and i needed to know whether the fridges have capacity for 6 day's worth of food and braai meat? What about space for drinks? Many thanks.

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Re: Fridge Size in the Double Bed Cottages C03

Unread postby Bush Baptist » Tue Apr 15, 2014 12:52 pm

You should get away with 5 nights worth of meat in the freezer part, and the rest of the food & drinks in the fridge part, as long as you don't need to keep all 6 days grog cold from day 1.
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Re: Fridge Size in the Double Bed Cottages C03

Unread postby MATTHYS » Tue Apr 15, 2014 1:01 pm

I don't think more than 3 people are allowed in the CO3 cottages, BB :wink:

Warm welcome to the forums, Ebeneke.

Agree, with BB :thumbs_up: We were in one of these cottages in October 2013 and I think the fridge might just be large enough for freezing 6 days' braai meat. You might need to buy ice for your cold drinks though, as I am not sure that that would fit into the freezing compartment too.

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Re: Karoo: Info/Advice

Unread postby Wildkyker » Wed May 14, 2014 10:19 am

Hi all. Has no one anything to report or photos to show of the karoo park. Nothing posted sinceM Dec 2011?

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Re: Karoo: Info/Advice

Unread postby 4O4-5O4 » Thu May 22, 2014 9:36 pm

If you are interested, we are busy with a trip report for Karoo National Park. Hopefully will find it under trip reports.

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Re: Karoo: Info/Advice

Unread postby FrontierPR » Mon May 26, 2014 12:24 pm

@Wildkyker

The Park's Facebook Group is becoming quite active. Why not join the page and have a look?

https://www.facebook.com/#!/groups/10453125613/

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