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Re: Karoo NP to introduce lions to mark 30th anniversary

Unread postby FrontierPR » Wed Mar 13, 2013 8:38 am

Some clarity on cheetah introduction in Karoo National Park - from Park Management:

Cheetah is still definitely on the cards for introduction into Karoo, but any new introductions should be planned, authorised and executed according to planning regimes and depend on the availability of resources.

A population cannot recover in a very short term (referring to the springbok issue) of 1 or two years. The monitoring survey of our springbok is required first, so that we can be sure if we do introduce any cheetah, we won’t put a possible additional burden on their numbers.

Karoo National Park is conducting annual surveys to determine trends in herbivore populations. Although we are of the opinion that we can very soon introduce cheetah, we first want to do another survey before making a final decision on when to introduce the cheetah. The next scheduled survey is planned for the last week in May 2013. The result from this survey will determine if we go ahead this year with the introduction of the cheetah.

Secondly, despite the fact that we were waiting for a final survey before doing final planning in this regard, we could not introduce any cheetah earlier as the large predator boma was occupied with brown hyena for a few months and then the two new lion males. It is impossible to keep two different predator species in the same area due to obvious reasons.

The third factor that would influence our introduction of cheetah is also the sourcing of cheetah. Our policy is to source cheetah born in the wild and not captive-bred cheetah, making the sourcing of cheetah not an easy one.

Our regular visitors to Karoo should please be very patient, all good things happen in good time and we hope to have good news very soon.

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Re: Karoo NP to introduce lions to mark 30th anniversary

Unread postby Bush Baptist » Wed Mar 13, 2013 12:42 pm

:thumbs_up: Thanks FPR!
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Re: Karoo NP to introduce lions to mark 30th anniversary

Unread postby lion queen » Wed Mar 13, 2013 12:43 pm

Thank you Faroush.......... :thumbs_up:
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Re: Karoo NP to introduce lions to mark 30th anniversary

Unread postby Stoffel » Wed Mar 13, 2013 4:20 pm

Your info is really appreciated Fayroush.
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Re: Karoo NP to introduce lions to mark 30th anniversary

Unread postby Salva » Fri Mar 15, 2013 10:37 am

Exactly the kind of information we were all waiting for! Thx Fayroush!
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Re: Karoo NP to introduce lions to mark 30th anniversary

Unread postby Friedrich von Hörsten » Sat Apr 06, 2013 2:30 pm

Hi Fayroush

Just back from a lovely visit to the Kgalagadi with good cheetah sightings, and very glad for your feedback re. cheetahs in the Karoo.

Even though we understand, we still look forward to this with great anticipation. Your first 2 points are very clear and obvious. Point 3 seems rather strange, since you have just had a cheetah population explosion in Mountain Zebra np -- you could easily transfer some from that stock -- is the problem in-breeding?
Of course Namibia has tradionally had no shortage of cheetahs being hunted, shot, captured on livestock farms -- I understand they are readily available at reasonable prices -- are you concerned about different genetic material not wanted to mix with our local cheetahs in SA?

Thanks for the good news!

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Re: Karoo NP to introduce lions to mark 30th anniversary

Unread postby FrontierPR » Thu Apr 11, 2013 8:54 am

Hi Friedrich

MZNP does at this moment have a stable cheetah population and we would not like to tamper with the population and remove animals at this stage to introduce to Karoo NP. The fact of too much inbreeding is always a concern and Karoo NP would firstly like to source cheetah from other populations not linked to the MZNP population. This will make it possible at a later stage to swop animals/individuals between the two Parks to enhance genetic variability.

MZNP did have a rapid growth in the cheetah population but then we moved a large number of cheetah out of the Park to private game reserves in order to bring the population down to a number that would be most suitable for the Park. Therefore it does not have excess cheetah at the moment.

The sourcing of animals from Namibia is not part of our planning. RSA still has sufficient wild cheetah in the North West and Limpopo Provinces. The sourcing of animals from other countries, and with animal health restrictions in place (quarantine periods etc.) between countries, is always a very long process with lots of intergovernmental issues and we would rather go for the option of sourcing cheetah locally. Animals are regularly caught on farms and handed over to the Endangered Wildlife Trust whom in return is looking for homes for the cheetah. It will take a while to source cheetah but I am sure we will find suitable animals to introduce to the Karoo NP.

We will also look at the welfare of the animals first and to transport cheetah from as far as Namibia can put a lot of stress on wild cheetahs. The shorter the transport time the better for the animals.

I trust this has answered your question.

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Re: Karoo NP to introduce lions to mark 30th anniversary

Unread postby Friedrich von Hörsten » Thu Apr 11, 2013 12:13 pm

:D :D :D :D :D

Thank you,

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Re: Karoo NP to introduce lions to mark 30th anniversary

Unread postby Salva » Mon Apr 15, 2013 10:09 am

in '99 when I first visited SA

Addo: 0 apex predators (except maybe that 1 leoprad that was never seen).
MZNP: 0 apex predators
Karoo NP: 0 apex predators

Today

Addo: lion and Hyena
MZNP: cheetah and soon lion
Karoo: Lion and soon cheetah

Not to mention the brown hyean reintrodictions in Karoo and MZNP

Exciting years @ Frontier Parks I would say...
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Re: Karoo NP to introduce lions to mark 30th anniversary

Unread postby GlynB » Mon Jul 01, 2013 10:14 am

We will be visiting Karoo National Park 26-27-28 July 2013 :dance:

What are the odds of seeing the lions :hmz:

.....In which area of the park have they been released, or should I say, in which area are they successfully hunting presently :cam:

Any Mites been there recently and have some insight as to where they may be, or may have seen them.. :mrgreen:
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Re: Two new male lions introduced to Karoo National Park

Unread postby GlynB » Mon Jul 01, 2013 10:49 am

Still no :cam: ..... :cry:
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Re: Two new male lions introduced to Karoo National Park

Unread postby GlynB » Mon Jul 01, 2013 10:53 am

I'm heading there 26-28 July 2013 :dance: and will see if I can get any :cam: of the lions.....
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Re: Two new male lions introduced to Karoo National Park

Unread postby MarkusF » Wed Jul 03, 2013 11:06 am

Wonderful, holding thumbs that you get to see them and get us some photos GlynB. :cool:

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Re: Two new male lions introduced to Karoo National Park

Unread postby Stoffel » Fri Jul 05, 2013 11:28 am

The two new males are back in their boma as they were naughty shortly after release by breaking out of the park. Oh well, that was the situation during May when we were in the park for two weeks. We saw the one in the boma - although very far from the tourist road (Potlekkertjie Loop). I don't know if management decided that they first have to attend a course in good behaviour before they can be released again. I just asked myself how trustworthy is the electrified fence around the park (and also around the camp) if they succeeded in breaking out.
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Re: Karoo NP to introduce lions to mark 30th anniversary

Unread postby Stoffel » Fri Jul 05, 2013 11:34 am

Glyn

The best area to find them is on the 4x4 routes - Kookfontein and Embizweni areas. One of the males and a female (mating) did move quite far away from that area towards the Doornhoek valley. I saw some photos taken by one of the ex-Honorary Rangers near the picnic site of the lovey-dovey couple.

But people who were camping next to us saw lions on the old Kookfontein farm yard on 24 May and another couple saw two females with the new cubs not far away from the Embizweni turn-off just one day earlier.
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