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Re: Addo Lions

Unread postby Patto » Thu Nov 14, 2013 12:57 pm

Dear Fayroush,

Thanks very much for the feedback. Can you please confirm how many lion are in the Main game area. I have heard that it is 6 (4 males and 2 females), with 3 in Nyathi section and 2 in the Kuzuko concession, which does indeed total 11.

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Re: Addo Lions

Unread postby FrontierPR » Thu Nov 14, 2013 1:06 pm

Hi Pat

Your numbers are completely accurate.

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Re: Addo Lions

Unread postby Friedrich von Hörsten » Thu Nov 14, 2013 6:02 pm

Thanks Fayroush,

Which means more joy for people who visit Nyathi.

And still means that seeing a lion at Addo is like looking for a needle in a haystack...again.
* Originally exactly 6 lions were imported from Kgalagadi for the main game viewing area, but the males spent most of their time near Scotia safaris looking at female lions on the fence line, so seldom seen.
* Then came the first cubs, and suddenly game viewing was much more exciting because Marion Baree area was excellent for Kamqua, Gina and cubs!
* Then we doubled the size of the game camp by including Matyholweni, still with the same number of lions.
* Then we contracepted the females to reduce breeding rate and save the expensive disease-free buffalo.
* Then we moved Nossob, Bitterbal, Kamqua and Megan plus cubs to Karoo NP, and Tsamma and Kalahari to other places, and now 3 young males to Nyathi as well.
So the wheel has turned completely, and we are back with 6 lions in double the space... which translates into zero lion sightings in my last 4 outings to Addo over about 7 days. At least we heard them roaring from the main camp at night, and that was very special.

Question: Could you tell us if those 2 females are still on contraceptives, and whether you think 6 lions is enough for such a vast area as the main camp game viewing area?

Thank you so much,

Friedrich von Hörsten

Ps. Reason for interest -- I love Addo, and the addition of super predators turned Addo from a safari park to a proper national park. I always take my school photography club there on tour, but haven't for the last 2 years because of the miniscule chance of seeing big predators there -- rather took them to Kgalagadi this year.
I am planning a trip for April next year, but it seems as if I need to take them somewhere else again.
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Re: Addo Lions

Unread postby Carol g » Thu Nov 14, 2013 6:19 pm

Well we must have been very lucky, we were in Addo for 3 days and saw lion on 2 of those days :dance: :dance:
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Re: Addo Lions

Unread postby PJL » Tue Nov 19, 2013 11:58 am

Patto wrote:Can you please confirm how many lion are in the Main game area. I have heard that it is 6 (4 males and 2 females)

I thought there were 9 lion in main game area. I saw 5 of them in one morning back in September... if that was 5 out of 6 I would be very surprised.

Fayroush could you perhaps check that your information is correct? WarthogB said in September that there are 9 as well. Have 3 been moved out of the main game area recently?

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Re: Addo Lions

Unread postby FrontierPR » Tue Nov 19, 2013 2:31 pm

My apologies all. The numbers I quoted were for those spotted during the census. The full figures are: Addo has 9 lion in main camp. This amount is based on available prey and size of territories. Two females are not on contraception.

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Re: Addo Lions

Unread postby PJL » Tue Nov 19, 2013 9:16 pm

Thanks for the information. Does the 9 in the 'main camp' include the ones in Nyati? I thought there were 3 females rather than 2 - Aardlam, Gina & Josie?

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Re: Addo Lions

Unread postby FrontierPR » Fri Nov 22, 2013 12:47 pm

There are three females in main camp - Gina, Aardlam and Josie.

The nine I referred to do not include the Nyathi population.

All females have received contraception for a two year period. Both Josie and Gina have been removed from the contraception project. They could have or will give birth soon.

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Re: Addo Lions

Unread postby lion queen » Fri Nov 22, 2013 12:51 pm

Wonderful news that Addo might be blessed with cubs in the near future............ :thumbs_up:
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Re: Addo Lions

Unread postby Lionspoon » Sat Nov 23, 2013 1:06 am

With 9 lions and 3 of them being female and at least 2 of those 7 remaining being sons of one of the females - isn't there a risk of inbreeding? :hmz:
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Re: Addo Lions

Unread postby PJL » Sat Nov 23, 2013 12:04 pm

Lionspoon wrote:With 9 lions and 3 of them being female and at least 2 of those 7 remaining being sons of one of the females - isn't there a risk of inbreeding? :hmz:

I agree - 6 of the 9 lion are descendants of Kamkwa (Gina, Norman, Zwaai, Josie, Melvin & Gibson)... and of those, Zwaai, Josie, Melvin and Gibson have Gina as their mom.
Surely that's not going to be great for the genetic diversity?

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Re: Addo Lions

Unread postby Friedrich von Hörsten » Sat Nov 23, 2013 4:27 pm

Fayroush

Thank you so much for the informative posting. Really pleased that there are 9 lions, and especially that there may be cubs soon. Should make for very interesting game viewing apart from elephanats, tortoises and kudu...

Hope to see some of those cubs next year with my school kids.
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Re: Addo Lions

Unread postby simonB » Mon Nov 25, 2013 12:03 am

Had two awesome sightings of Roy and Nomad on Wednesday and Saturday. 20 and23 November 2013.
On Wednesday they were seen eating a kudu in the new section of the park.

It seems that Nomad was injured in this hunt, he was bleeding behind the ear and was seen limping. On Saturday he was still bleeding behind the ear and limping. Lets hope he heals soon.

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Re: Addo Lions

Unread postby lion queen » Mon Nov 25, 2013 10:07 am

Great sighting............. :clap: :clap:

Thank you for sharing!!!
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Re: Addo Lions

Unread postby PJL » Tue Dec 03, 2013 10:37 am

Gina seen the other weekend right down in the south of the park

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