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Re: Addo: Elephants

Unread postby Sawubona » Wed Nov 12, 2008 4:39 pm

Peter Betts wrote:Gee Sawubona I was also there on Sat Morning so must have seen you...Have you got a GP Landy Defender SW because one was right next to me at Hapoor..light coloured???


No Peter, think you missed it, but I qouted what was written by J.J.

I was not there, have never been there. Its on my to do list. :lol:
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Re: Addo: Elephants

Unread postby Addo Elephant » Fri Nov 14, 2008 10:06 am

Sawubona wrote:Indeed rare. Anyone has a explanation for this?

What is current numbers for ellies in Addo?


Hi Sawubona,
At Addo, you will often see this behaviour of a family group of elephants waiting their turn near a waterhole while another group drinks and plays. This has to do with the complex social system that elephants have. They could also be just resting as adult elephants don't often lie down to sleep but rest standing.

There are currently 500 elephants in Addo (not 450).
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Re: Addo: Elephants

Unread postby Peter Betts » Wed Dec 17, 2008 5:40 pm

Addo Elephant wrote:
Sawubona wrote:
There are currently 500 elephants in Addo (not 450).


Well the current notes for Guides say 405 and we were told by the Ranger with natural increase if you wrote between 405 and 450 you would be marked correct in the test...thats why I said about 450 not exactly...maybe the out of date Guide info (2003) needs to be updated and communicated???

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Re: Addo: Elephants

Unread postby Caracal » Fri Mar 06, 2009 8:54 pm

Can anybody tell me if the large elephant in the photo has a name. He has a chunk out of his ear..should be easy to ID if you know the ellies in Addo :D I was amazed at how gentle he was with that tiny baby ellie .

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Re: Addo: Elephants

Unread postby J.J. » Sat Mar 07, 2009 7:35 pm

So this will be Skukuza ??

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Re: Addo: Elephants

Unread postby HoepHoep » Sun Mar 08, 2009 2:20 pm

Hi JJ

No, your elephant looks way to small for Skukuza.
Skukuza is a "meneer" of an elephant. (Meneer = master = huge)
Skukuza lost the other tusk, as you can see from the postings on page 1 of this tread.
This must be yet another one-tusker of Addo.
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Re: Addo: Elephants

Unread postby J.J. » Mon Mar 09, 2009 9:07 am

Hoep hoep...I'm really sorry...but Ithink I've rotated that photo.

Now the tusk will be on the left side.

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Re: Addo: Elephants

Unread postby HoepHoep » Mon Mar 09, 2009 10:52 am

Hi J.J.

I am still not convinced.
Skukuza's tusk is fairly straigh and then turns sharply neer the tip, whereas your ellie's tusk follows a smooth curve. See photo's of ellie I believe to be Skukuza. Note the difference in size and posture as well.
Maybe Megan can give some advice as well.
(This is no argument, just interesting! :D )
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Re: Addo: Elephants

Unread postby Addo Elephant » Mon Apr 06, 2009 11:00 am

Caracal wrote:Can anybody tell me if the large elephant in the photo has a name. He has a chunk out of his ear..should be easy to ID if you know the ellies in Addo :D I was amazed at how gentle he was with that tiny baby ellie

Hi Michele,
The elephant bull in your photo is Norman.

J.J. wrote:So this will be Skukuza ??

Yes, JP, you have Skukuza here in these photos

(Sorry for the delay in my response, just wanted to double check with the ellie researchers).
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Addo Elephants:Do cows have tusks?

Unread postby AndreB » Sun May 10, 2009 9:42 pm

On 21.07.08 Addo Elephant reported that there were only 11 cows with
tusks. :? On behalf of all those folk who have not had the wonderful opportunity of going on a Drive and hearing the Guide speak about Addo Mamas of the previous generation not having tusks, will somebody please
respond? :hmz: :)

The questions are: .Why do they not have tusks?
.How does the introduction of new blood from Kruger
influence this phenomenon?
.Will the introduction of new genes increase the actual
size of the Addo elephant and its ivory?
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Re: Addo Elephants:Do cows have tusks?

Unread postby Addo Elephant » Thu May 14, 2009 11:34 am

Hi AndreB,

There are currently 13 elephant cows with tusks. The general tusklessness of the elephant cows in Addo is due to the small original population size and their geographic isolation (meaning the Addo elephant population didn't mix with other elephant herds and therefore didn't assimilate new genes). When the Park was proclaimed, the herd size was only 16, which later reduced even further as elephants clashed with people (and trains) before an adequate fence was erected to contain them. Some of those original elephants did not have tusk, as tuskelessness is a naturally occuring phenomenon in elephants.

Presumably the fact that tuskless elephants did occur in the original population has something to do with the fact that ivory hunters did not select these individuals as they had no tusks.

The introduction of Kruger bulls in 2002 and 2003 aimed to introduce new genes (but not specifically tusks) into the population in order to result in a healthier and more robust elephant population. Eleven of Addo's more dominant bulls were translocated out of the Park in 2005 in order to make it easier for the Kruger bulls to have a chance of mating with the cows. I assume the introduction of these new genes will decrease the incidence of tusklessness in the Addo elephant population over time, but this is not a fact as I am not a researcher!

Cows that are tuskless do not seem to suffer physically from this and the population remains generally healthy with an average to high growth rate.
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Re: Addo Elephants:Do cows have tusks?

Unread postby AndreB » Thu May 14, 2009 9:56 pm

Thanks a million,Addo Elephant, for a most informative reply to the questions I posted regarding Addo elephant cows and their dentistry. I find your information about the size of the elephant herd when they were
finally fenced in,very interesting and can only imagine the tragedy of losing
the herd had Sanparks not intervened.

I sincerely hope that your soon to be completed museum at the Main Camp will enjoy the support it deserves.I firmly believe one's understanding
and appreciation of Nature is underpinned by one's exposure to not only the region(Addo National Park in this case),but also its history.

Even old Hapoor must be looking down from Elephant heaven with a broad smile between his not so impressive tusks,wishing he had been around to enjoy all the expansions to Addo.Not to mention the new generation of Ellie belles who sport ivory and therefore demand a greater understanding of how to romance a tusky lass. :D :clap: :clap:
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Addo Bull ID

Unread postby trmorris » Tue Jun 09, 2009 11:54 am

I have just come back from visit to Addo. Wonderful visit. Staff very friendly and helpful.We encountered a fairly big Bull one day.After stopping our car we watched him march down the road straight to our car. I got real nervous when he stopped right next to my drivers side window and eyeballed me for a while. I got a bit nervous and started to roll up my window. At this time he just walked off. I notced his tusks were cut off and he had a tracking collar. Could someone identify this bull and give some background to it.BTW I have pics of bull but cant attach it.

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Re: Addo Bull ID

Unread postby Bush Baptist » Tue Jun 09, 2009 12:32 pm

Welcome to the forum trm.

trmorris wrote:We encountered a fairly big Bull one day. I got real nervous when he stopped right next to my window and eyeballed me for a while. I started to roll up my window.


That will really help! :roll:

Same thing happened to us with agitated buffs and my wife says 'Wind up the window, he might charge'. I told her that if he did I would just get showered with glass as well as injured. :doh:
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Re: Addo Bull ID

Unread postby Addo Elephant » Thu Jun 11, 2009 9:34 am

Hi trmorris,
You saw John, one of the Kruger bulls released in 2002 to help beef up the Addo elephant gene pool. His tusks have broken off naturally over the years (they were longer when he arrived).

Its always best to be cautious around elephant bulls, especially if they are in musth - you can recognise this by the secretion streaming down from their temporal gland about halfway between the eye and the ear.

Thanks for the compliments about the staff and your experience :D . I'll pass these on.
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