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 Post subject: Drone Photography
Unread postPosted: Mon Jan 06, 2014 11:58 am 
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Just came back from the Kgalagadi and would love to hear from Sanparks/KG about there stance on Helicopter Drone photography as it has been reported previously in a TR and also radio controlled vehicle drone photography :big_eyes: :hmz: as they are being used at the moment


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 Post subject: Re: Drone Photography
Unread postPosted: Wed Jan 08, 2014 12:38 pm 
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216 views to date and no reply / comment? :hmz:

Either way... I'd be keen to hear some official response to that as well. :thumbs_up:

I'd think that if cameras are not supposed to stick out of the car, there is no way that people can operate devices like that? Are there plans to specifically exclude / forbid using photo drones in the park rules?

Whereas I feel that drones might be a great device for safe-guarding animals and for scientific purposes, I shudder at the vision of sitting in any of the parks and having fellow travellers operating their photo drone hovering above a special sighting in order to get better photos than the rest.

Quite a disturbing thought regarding the peace of the animal and for other guests. :?

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 Post subject: Re: Drone Photography
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to be honest I didn't understand the question? but if this is what I think it is all I can say is - WHAT :shock:

I love my gadgets - trail cameras, night vision scope/recorder, but a vehicle/helicopter I think is a gadget too far. What would happen if it crashed? the lions may have something to play with but not very healthy for them to eat, and as for the noise/disturbance I don't think anyone would be happy at that.
Lets leave these things to the people who may need these for scientific purposes or alike.

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 Post subject: Re: Drone Photography
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It is impossible to stop change - what is possible is to manage it.
Because of the nature of this development world wide it will be impossible to ban it from the skies above the National Parks. Who would police the ban and how?
It is a waste of time and money in passing legislation at any level which is either impossible to enforce or not enforced when possible.
Far better to take the lead and manage it with reasonable and realistic enforceable rules for the use of drones and like gadgets.
By the way you only need to sit inside a vehicle with a controller and a roof mounted antenna.
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 Post subject: Re: Drone Photography
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The problem with the drone is not only that its noisy, but also that you cannot stay in your vehicle when you want to retrieve it even if under control. At the moment open vehicles are not allowed so the only way of landing the drone is away from your car. In case of a crash how will it be retrieved. Driving off-road or walking to pick it up.

The same goes for buggy operated camera that guys like NG made use of. They don't show how they get it back after the lions pick it up, but I am sure it is not left for the lion to finish off.

Drone flying over Rooiputs in Dec 2013:

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Some links on the use of drones / robot buggies

http://www.theverge.com/2013/8/9/4604876/national-geographic-living-with-lions-serengeti-robot-drone-photography

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtUzaBpa ... e=youtu.be


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 Post subject: Re: Drone Photography
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Whose drone was that at Rooiputs??

I love gadgets but surely these will not be allowed by Sanparks!

Imagine the noise of half a dozen drones flying around a lion kill!

At the US Consumer Electronics Show this week personal drones were launched which under US law can fly at up to 120m (this limit maybe revised upwards soon). Flight time is 25 minutes and pictures are sent back to a smart phone. The drone is programmed to return home if contact is lost.
It is being sold as "the world's first consumer quadcopter with a built-in high-performance camera".

There are also now drone toys for kids controlled via tablets!


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 Post subject: Re: Drone Photography
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PRWIN wrote:
Just came back from the Kgalagadi and would love to hear from Sanparks/KG about there stance on Helicopter Drone photography as it has been reported previously in a TR and also radio controlled vehicle drone photography :big_eyes: :hmz: as they are being used at the moment

Hi PRWIN

Can you help us by giving more detail. Can you please link to the TR you mention, and also give more detail as to exactly where and when and if it was reported to the park management (SANParks KTP) at the time.

Obviously this is your pic (below)? Is this drone flying over the waterhole or the camp? Can you supply more detail too please - date and time and exact location; and again if it was reported to SANParks KTP at the time.
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Drone flying over Rooiputs in Dec 2013:

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 Post subject: Re: Drone Photography
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Surely this should not be permitted under any circumstances.

Flying is illegal over Kruger etc.

One would have to break the rules to operate one, unless it is done (launched and retrieved) within a rest camp or picnic site.

My son has a quadcopter, and I enjoy watching him fly it, so this is not just a kneejerk reaction. I would not let him take it to Kruger or Kgalagadi.

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 Post subject: Re: Drone Photography
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 Post subject: Re: Drone Photography
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HI DinkyBird

The Travel Tale I referred to was the one Tobieo wrote - Kgalagadi - Not for sissies!!. I've place a quote from his TT below from p 4. I think he visited the park in end October / November 2013.

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Tobieo wrote:

As I approached the A frame structure I heard this strange noise, almost like some bees. Imagine my surprise when I saw this strange object flying over the camp site… (not a good photo but I hope you can make out what it was)

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Yip it was a remote control helicopter / hover craft that my neighbour brought along to play with. I must admit it was not too much of a nuisance but I find it strange that you would want to bring such a toy to Rooiputs in the Kgalagadi.


The first day we heard the drone it was flying over the lodge at Rooiputs, but we could not get a clear view as they were flying from site no 6. On the second they flew the drone over the campsite at Rooiputs to wards the road operating from campsite #3. This happened on the 2 Dec 2013.

We did not report it because we camped at Botswana side and did not go to Twee Rivieren at that time. KG was also on leave and not available to discuss it with him. If you can forward me an email address I can forward the registration numbers of the people involved.

The reason for me starting this thread was to find out if it will be allowed and is there any exemption towards a certain group of people visiting the park, e.g. professional photographers or researchers. In the case of permission granted will the vehicle be issued with notice saying that they are busy with research or documentary filming.


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 Post subject: Re: Drone Photography
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I am told by someone who builds these in SA that there are already a lot of drone clubs.

Maybe drones could help Kruger with its anti rhino poaching? Fuel costs would certainly be lower than fixed wing aircraft.


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 Post subject: Re: Drone Photography
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Drones are used on a limited scale for counter poaching activities. To be effective for the specialised environment and needs of counter poaching you need highly specialised drones with top military capacity. This does not come cheap and needs a lot of resources to sustain. Drones will be part of a bigger strategy and will only be employed if and when they make sense in the bigger picture.

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 Post subject: Re: Drone Photography
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Imberbe wrote:
Drones are used on a limited scale for counter poaching activities. To be effective for the specialised environment and needs of counter poaching you need highly specialised drones with top military capacity. This does not come cheap and needs a lot of resources to sustain. Drones will be part of a bigger strategy and will only be employed if and when they make sense in the bigger picture.


A very sophisticated helicopter drone was featured on 50/50 earlier last year, to be used in Kruger for anti-Rhino poaching purposes. It was loaded with all sorts of technology - infra-red and flash night flying photography. Anti-poaching is probably the ONLY situation I might be prepared to condone in a National Park, and NOTHING else. Allow one and you are opening the flood doors.

Just a thought - I wonder if the Kruger drone could be mounted with, let's say, just a LITTLE machine gun, to add interest to the poachers lives...... :whistle:


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 Post subject: Re: Drone Photography
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Couldn't agree more Jembo. :thumbs_up:

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I thought about purchasing a drone to do some creative photography of desert landscapes, but I read from reviewers that even the good ones suffer from "fly-away syndrome" which is exactly what it sounds like...there goes your unresponsive drone and expensive camera over the horizon.

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