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 Post subject: Re: Drone Photography
Unread postPosted: Thu Jan 23, 2014 3:50 pm 
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@DinkyBird thanks, have already been in contact with Lesego and KG, they have the necessary information. Agree with you that contact details shouldn't be posted:

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Thanks to Matthew Schurch, we have tracked this Mr Zinnenburg to another clip where he films in Augrabies:

He is also filming in Kruger national park.

Happy to report that Lesego and Jan Kriel who are looking into this matter as I write.

One problem we are having finding this Mr. Bernd Zinenburg. Any ideas how SANParks can track him down ? If you do, I suggest sending your information to either Lesego or Jan and not post it on this forum. Mr. Dean Polley's detail have already been obtain and sent to SANPArks.

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 Post subject: Re: Drone Photography
Unread postPosted: Thu Jan 23, 2014 6:53 pm 
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@DinkyBird,

I've already written an email to Jan Kriel and Lesego with all the details available on the photographer from Rooiputs. I can report back that Jan Kriel replied to my email and will further investigate and have discussions with Botswana authorities.

Agree, that all details should not be posted here and only communicated via email.

Thanks. :thumbs_up:

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 Post subject: Re: Drone Photography
Unread postPosted: Fri Jan 24, 2014 2:09 pm 
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Thanks PRWIN and others for alerting us and the authorities to this.

I did not go into the topic at first, because I didn't know what it was all about :redface: . I only looked right through all the posts yesterday and was filled with shock and horror :big_eyes: .

I do hope that Jan Kriel and his Botswana counterparts can take action against these people. I appreciate that they probably love the wildlife of the Parks, but they need to be shown that the animals and other visitors do not enjoy hearing/seeing their drones. There is also the issue of how they retrieve the drones once they have landed off-road.

I agree that their names and contact details should not be published until a full enquiry has taken place.

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 Post subject: Re: Drone Photography
Unread postPosted: Sun Jan 26, 2014 10:09 am 
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you grandiose self appointed mouse pusher police are unbelievable, put down your pitchforks, step away from the mice, go get a life (or at least have your nappies changed)

the parks authorities have more important things to do than run after the 0.0000001% of people who bring along a flying toy. FCOA, what a waste of bandwidth


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 Post subject: Re: Drone Photography
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Ubejani, if you disagree with more respect please
btw, drone photography will get more populair in the future, so why not discuss the pros and cons.

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 Post subject: Re: Drone Photography
Unread postPosted: Sun Jan 26, 2014 6:59 pm 
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WOW, quite an aggressive tone for someone who has just joined the forums. :?

You might be right, ubijane, but as a paying customer I also expect to get something
for the money I pay. And I would like to think that tourists help to pay the park authorities'
salaries, hence one can ask for some assistance as well, I guess.

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 Post subject: Re: Drone Photography
Unread postPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2014 4:20 am 
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WOW, Ubejane! Quite aggressive - finish en klaar! Trouble is, your .0000001% will soon become .1 and then 1.0% and then we have a problem. Rather nip it in the bud right now.


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 Post subject: Re: Drone Photography
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It makes no difference what the percentage is, it is not allowed, finish and klaar. I also think it is selfish of the person with the drone, because they know it would be against the rules and also they did not care about any of the other people using the facilities. So yes, the rangers have more important things to do than police people with drones, so leave your drones at home and stop transgressing the rules. :slap:


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 Post subject: Re: Drone Photography
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RobertT wrote:
It makes no difference what the percentage is, it is not allowed, finish and klaar. I also think it is selfish of the person with the drone, because they know it would be against the rules and also they did not care about any of the other people using the facilities. So yes, the rangers have more important things to do than police people with drones, so leave your drones at home and stop transgressing the rules.


Without condoning to use of drones in parks, I just feel the need to ask to be pointed to the rule that forbids the use of drones, especially as is shown in the video, where the drone is launched from a camp/designated "get-out" spot, it doesn't infringe on anyone's privacy and the drone doesn't disturb any wildlife.

I know it could be argued that the video is edited and any instances of it disturbing animals left out, etc, but I think we need to be careful of accusing someone of breaking the rules, just because he was doing something that could become a problem if everyone did it. IMO, if we want to prevent a dozen drones jostling for space above every pride of lions, the first step would be to amend the rules, expressly banning drones. Then the parks authority would have a case for "taking action"...


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 Post subject: Re: Drone Photography
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Ubejani, the tone of your post is definitely not in accordance with the rules of these forums, nor in the spirit of these forums. We accept you are new here, and trust from here on, you will take part in civil debate around this, and other issues.

@ all - let us get back to the topic at hand now.

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 Post subject: Re: Drone Photography
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Thanks ubejani, you gave me a good Monday morning laff that I sorely needed! :thumbs_up:

Maybe I should take mine to Newlands and fly it around Dan Carter when the Crusaders visit. :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: Drone Photography
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squirrel_asc wrote:
RobertT wrote:
It makes no difference what the percentage is, it is not allowed, finish and klaar. I also think it is selfish of the person with the drone, because they know it would be against the rules and also they did not care about any of the other people using the facilities. So yes, the rangers have more important things to do than police people with drones, so leave your drones at home and stop transgressing the rules.


Without condoning to use of drones in parks, I just feel the need to ask to be pointed to the rule that forbids the use of drones, especially as is shown in the video, where the drone is launched from a camp/designated "get-out" spot, it doesn't infringe on anyone's privacy and the drone doesn't disturb any wildlife.

I know it could be argued that the video is edited and any instances of it disturbing animals left out, etc, but I think we need to be careful of accusing someone of breaking the rules, just because he was doing something that could become a problem if everyone did it. IMO, if we want to prevent a dozen drones jostling for space above every pride of lions, the first step would be to amend the rules, expressly banning drones. Then the parks authority would have a case for "taking action"...


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23. BEHAVIOUR – Behaving in an offensive, improper, indecent or disorderly manner including the
playing of any radio, compact disc player, music system, musical system or instrument, or in any
way cause of any noise in any manner likely to disturb any species or specimen or other person is
strictly prohibited
and will be fined if not adhered to. The hindering, intimidating or obstructing of
an authorized official in the execution if his/her duties or the performance of his/her functions will
not be tolerated and is subject to a penalty. Violation, refusal or failure to obey or comply with any
prohibition, request or instruction imposed by these regulations or by the management authority
or authorized official will result in prosecution;

14. FEEDING OF WILDLIFE IS PROHIBITED – The feeding or intentional disturbance of wildlife is a
serious offence.
By feeding any wildlife you are potentially SIGNING THEIR DEATH WARRANT, AS
THEY MAY BECOME DEPENDENT AND OFTEN BECOME AGGRESSIVE AND DANGEROUS, AND THUS
HAVE TO BE EXTERMINATED

When you in you car and the animal does not like having you around they can move away as you cannot follow them ,now with a drone where does the animal go as it can be followed anywhere.

Lastly I have a reply from KTP where they ask that any drone in the air or on the ground must be reported ASAP to the camp managers, that includes the bush camps as well as they are strictly not allowed
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We do see it in a very serious light and I guarantee you that action will be taken against the culprits.
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squirrel_asc you are welcome to use one , but don't be upset when you are reported and fined :wink:


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 Post subject: Re: Drone Photography
Unread postPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2014 11:44 am 
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Thanks PRWIN, was also in process of copying that same rule. Think the rule is all encompassing and self explanatory, we could split hairs with wording, but I think the spirit of the rule is understood. :thumbs_up:

If also the drone landed in an area not covered by the safely alight or demarcated area, the person would have to transgress the rules to retrieve such or forego their equipment.


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 Post subject: Re: Drone Photography
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PRWIN wrote:
squirrel_asc you are welcome to use one , but don't be upset when you are reported and fined :wink:

If you read my post properly, you will note that I don't condone it, and that I can completely foresee that it can become a problem. Thus, I don't appreciate your little jab. :evil:

Anyway, thank you for pointing out the rule, although I have to say that using that rule to fine someone operating a drone could be open for debate. Yes, drones absolutely have the potential to cause a disturbance (and that is why I would support a ban), but I don't see any evidence of disturbance of either people or animals in the video's posted and it is clear that he launched it from places where he WAS allowed to get out, so it might to be as easy and clear-cut as everyone seems to think.

Do we really want to lynch him because of what other people might have done in his place?

I supposed I just find it interesting how quickly something can go from "Should this be allowed? - it could become a problem if everyone and his neighbour did it", to "FINE THE EVIL DRONE OPERATOR!!!" But I guess that is the nature of internet forums... :roll:


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 Post subject: Re: Drone Photography
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It should be pointed out that one of the videos shows someone launching a drone at the intersection of one of the bore hole loops in the Aoub. The person had to get out of his car to launch and retrieve the drone in an area where doing so isn't allowed. This is a clear cut example of one instance where the park rules were completely ignored.

I personally don't think this is about fining people or lynching an individual, it is about the concept of using drones in the parks.

What worries me, whether the films show this or not, is that there is a huge potential for drone operators to invade the comfort zone of an animal. Currently, with the existing "traditional" wildlife viewing methods it is the animals choice how close they come to you. If you get too close to a lion in the road then he/she will just move away till they are comfortable again, often this is out of sight, and you lose the sighting. With drones you no longer give the animal this choice. There will be good drone operators who respect the animal, as there are good drivers, but there will also be bad drone operators...as there are bad drivers who drive off road, and here lies the danger. It is easy to asses the damage from a car 10m off road into the river, but how do we asses the damage of a drone flying over resting lions?

Hence appropriate measures need to be put into place for every bodies benefit, both animal and human. What measures these are are for SANParks to decide upon.

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