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Re: Hilux vs. Navara...any suggestions?

Unread postby PRWIN » Fri Jul 29, 2011 9:31 am

SheldonandAiri wrote:you guys are starting to worry me...is the Bitterpan route that hard to drive? I have a little 4x4 experience, none really in the sand... am I setting myself up for disaster?


Hi SheldonanAiri :lol: :lol: :lol:

Don, t worry that will be a piece of Cake in a Nivada. :hmz: What happend with the Landie as I understand he had narrow set of tyres wich dont go well with sand :naughty: and also I think he was pumped way to high. :doh: Secondly the car was a suv and it was packed high in the back with goodies against the windows :whistle: . Now taking the above into acount the first real dune and only test will be I think the second coming out from Nossab(under correction here) the people have churned it up and you have to approuch it slowly at the start and 3 m before and 2 m in due to the area being churned up otherwise the car will rock heavy and thats not good if you have goodies hitting against your windows ,Bye Bye glass. :tongue:

:lol: :lol: I think also he wanted a excuse to try out his winch. :dance: :dance:

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Re: Hilux vs. Navara...any suggestions?

Unread postby JenB » Fri Jul 29, 2011 9:49 am

Here is a short video of the road and the worst you can expect. Best is just to make sure to keep your momentum up the dunes and you should be fine.
All the shaking must have been due to the Landies in question I suspect. :lol:

SheldonandAiri, make sure to leave Nossob as the gates open. Should you get stuck, help will on their way to Bitterpan too. I've yet to meet one 4x4 driver who will not go out of his way to help another. Don't stress, just enjoy the trip! :wink:

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxeGA1a3uS8[/video]

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Re: Hilux vs. Navara...any suggestions?

Unread postby Switchback » Fri Jul 29, 2011 10:05 am

SheldonandAiri wrote:you guys are starting to worry me...is the Bitterpan route that hard to drive? I have a little 4x4 experience, none really in the sand... am I setting myself up for disaster?


Not at all, an amateur can drive that route. :thumbs_up:
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Re: Hilux vs. Navara...any suggestions?

Unread postby Rooies » Fri Jul 29, 2011 10:07 am

As mentioned by some, the important thing when driving on sand is to select the right gear and to stick to it. Low range 2nd or 3d will do, and keep the momentum. If you drive up a sand dune and find that you have selected the wrong gear, then there is no time to change it. You will get bogged down.
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Re: Hilux vs. Navara...any suggestions?

Unread postby TheunsH » Fri Jul 29, 2011 10:12 am

Son godin wrote: I know Jeeps need flatbed trucks to leave KTP. :twisted:


That is true Son godin, I have read two or three TR's where that had happened! :twisted: :twisted: :lol:

Son godin wrote:The performance of the vehicle depends a lot on the driver :thumbs_up:


Also true, I know a good friend/mite who has done almost all the 4x4 trails in KNP with his Atos without any problems! :lol: :lol: :whistle:

Maybe I should pack my trailer, hook it to my VW and head off to Bitterpan! :twisted: :twisted:

This is a great thread, can't we have a 4x4 thread? :hmz:

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Re: Hilux vs. Navara...any suggestions?

Unread postby WeskusKlong » Fri Jul 29, 2011 11:47 am

...as I understand he had narrow set of tyres wich dont go well with sand

Not so. The wider the tyre, the more the rolling resistance becomes and that cancels most of the better flotation of a wider tyre. Flotation on sand has all to do with tyre pressure - ideally you want a tyre with a HIGH profile, which is deflated to about 50%-60% of its normal specified pressure. This LENGTHENS the tread of the tyre - distributing the weight of the vehicle over a bigger area. A standard Land Rover tyre has the ideal profile - narrowish but with a very high profile. That is the reason why under-powered Land Rovers such as the older 2.5Tdi (and also older Cruizer bakkies) still do well in sand - PROVIDED the tyre pressure is set correctly.

...o and as Switchback says - it's not about the arrow but about the Indian. The best 4x4 can be useless in the hands of a poor driver, and vice versa.
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Re: Hilux vs. Navara...any suggestions?

Unread postby PRWIN » Fri Jul 29, 2011 12:06 pm

was under the impression the wider the better as you get a chance of cutting the side wall of the tyre if deflated between 50% and 60%, talking about thin tyres where wide profile you dont have too and dont run the risk :hmz: Thanks intresting

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Re: Hilux vs. Navara...any suggestions?

Unread postby WeskusKlong » Fri Jul 29, 2011 12:10 pm

as you get a chance of cutting the side wall of the tyre if deflated between 50% and 60%

Very true. That's why you need to fit proper 4x4 tyres with adequate side-wall protection.
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Re: Hilux vs. Navara...any suggestions?

Unread postby Dupacc » Fri Jul 29, 2011 12:35 pm

To SheldonandAiri:

We can conclude that both Hilux and Navara are very good vehicles.

The important thing when hitting thick sand is to

1) keep momentum
2) be in the right gear given the torque characteristics of the vehicle
3) avoid losing traction and do not "spin" the wheels
4) hope that you deflated the tires enough :whistle: :whistle:
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Re: Hilux vs. Navara...any suggestions?

Unread postby bruce mitchell » Fri Jul 29, 2011 12:56 pm

Hi Guys
I'm loving the debate about which vehicles are the best in the Kgalagadi.
Perhaps, Jannie can organise a test up Big Bertha and film it during the Nov Eco trail. Hopefully there'll be a landy, a toyota, a nissan and others (no jeeps necessary!!) all under the same conditions.
What do you guys think? I should bring along my father's old 1937 long-wheel-base landy - it can do anything, but will probably take a year to get up to the Kgalagadi from Cape Town!!!!
We can have a panel of judges to view the video footage and then publish their findings on the forum afterwards.
Cheers and don't worry, Sheldon and Airi, you'll be fine.

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Re: Hilux vs. Navara...any suggestions?

Unread postby Kgalagadi Guru » Fri Jul 29, 2011 2:19 pm

Bruce,

It sounds like a good idea.....
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Re: Hilux vs. Navara...any suggestions?

Unread postby Malealea » Fri Jul 29, 2011 2:28 pm

that sounds really like a good Idea.

Janie, can you open up a 4X4 thread, I can imagine that this will be great.

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Re: Hilux vs. Navara...any suggestions?

Unread postby mistral » Fri Jul 29, 2011 3:43 pm

+1 Excellent idea.

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Re: Hilux vs. Navara...any suggestions?

Unread postby Rooies » Fri Jul 29, 2011 3:58 pm

Dupacc has got it all right, but to add a bit more, if you reach an obstacle, like a high dune, firstly stop and assess the situation. Walk up the dune and see how it looks like on the other side. If you cross the ridge of a dune too fast, you will end up flying through the air and thereby damaging the vehicle's suspension.
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Re: Hilux vs. Navara...any suggestions?

Unread postby Son godin » Fri Jul 29, 2011 4:09 pm

Rooies wrote:Dupacc has got it all right, but to add a bit more, if you reach an obstacle, like a high dune, firstly stop and assess the situation. Walk up the dune and see how it looks like on the other side. If you cross the ridge of a dune too fast, you will end up flying through the air and thereby damaging the vehicle's suspension.


Hi Rooies agree with you but just worried about the lions on the other side of the dune. :big_eyes: :big_eyes: :lol: :lol: :lol:
We will send KG walking up the dune first then before ascending the dune. :twisted: :thumbs_up: And the action will be on video. :cam: :cam: :popcorn: :popcorn:


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