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 Post subject: Camera for a child
Unread postPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2014 5:28 pm 
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Hi All,

My 9 year old son is starting to show an inrterest in photography.
He keeps telling me that when I upgrade mine (650D) he wants it! (When I do an upgrade, I tend to trade in my old one). I have no plans to upgrade my camera for the mean time.

I was thinking of getting him a cheap/low-end bridge camera
It's for him to learn on, to enjoy taking photos, and most important, get enthusiastic about.
Not so much about the quality of the final images.

The SO is against the whole idea.
She thinks he is too young, will drop it - end of camera. And won't look after it properly.
I on the hand want to encourage him with the photography, and it will also increase his enthusiasm for our trip to Kruger in December.

Any thoughts?


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 Post subject: Re: Camera for a child
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Briljant go for it.
I started ages ago with the red dot Agfa. After i received my dads old Kodak brownie.
And there it all started for me

Try a second hand bridge with 400 zoom
They must be around
Will cost you 100 pounds, a card and spare battery
And they love the movie mode.
Like this one for eg
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Digital-Bridge- ... 37&sr=1-13

Took my son with to Kruger at the age of 11 and he was in charge of the old video cam. And loved it

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 Post subject: Re: Camera for a child
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bert,
Thanks for your thoughts.
I was thinking of this one:
http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Product/p ... 712483.htm

Seems very good value for money.


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 Post subject: Re: Camera for a child
Unread postPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2014 10:49 pm 
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At that age their brain is like a sponge - taking in everything and exploring things that excite them.
The secret is to manage that enthusiasm with close but not overbearing supervision.
Allow them to make mistakes and to learn from them.
Give them responsibility for both their equipment and actions and watch them grow into valuable members of society.
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 Post subject: Re: Camera for a child
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JDW wrote:
Yoda
At that age their brain is like a sponge - taking in everything and exploring things that excite them.
The secret is to manage that enthusiasm with close but not overbearing supervision.
Allow them to make mistakes and to learn from them.
Give them responsibility for both their equipment and actions and watch them grow into valuable members of society.
Best wishes
JDW


JDW,
Thanks for the positive thoughts.

I had a long discussion with the SO last night, and she has finally come round to my point of view. :k


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 Post subject: Re: Camera for a child
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Buy a 2nd hand DSLR with a kit lens, like an 18-55mm. They can be had for pretty cheap these days, and there's nothing wrong with them. (Buy from a reputable source, like a shop)

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 Post subject: Re: Camera for a child
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The canon is a great choice :thumbs_up:

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Always keep the SO, also known as management or the 'Home Secretary' sweet.
She is the key to the universe.
Keeping her sweet enables us to do all the things we like doing!!
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 Post subject: Re: Camera for a child
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Josh of the Bushveld wrote:
Buy a 2nd hand DSLR with a kit lens, like an 18-55mm. They can be had for pretty cheap these days, and there's nothing wrong with them. (Buy from a reputable source, like a shop)

I have done a bit of research. And a decent quality 2nd hand DSLR is still a bit more than I had planned on spending.

bert wrote:
Yoda
The canon is a great choice :thumbs_up:


Yup. It seems to get good reviews online

JDW wrote:
Yoda
Always keep the SO, also known as management or the 'Home Secretary' sweet.
She is the key to the universe.
Keeping her sweet enables us to do all the things we like doing!!
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Isn't that the truth :k


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If the bridge camera has a 30x zoom, what is the equivalent in mm?


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yoda wrote:
If the bridge camera has a 30x zoom, what is the equivalent in mm?

zoom refers to the relative range of focal lengths, ie 30x zoom means the longest focal length is 30 times the shortest focal length, e.g. 300mm to 10mm is a 30x zoom, so is 20mm-600mm. The lens will have a separate 'equivalent focal length' designation.

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Josh of the Bushveld wrote:
yoda wrote:
If the bridge camera has a 30x zoom, what is the equivalent in mm?

zoom refers to the relative range of focal lengths, ie 30x zoom means the longest focal length is 30 times the shortest focal length, e.g. 300mm to 10mm is a 30x zoom, so is 20mm-600mm. The lens will have a separate 'equivalent focal length' designation.


So according to the specs, the focal length is 4.3 - 129mm

So the zoom is therefore 30 x 4.3 ie the 129mm?
If I understand correctly?

Is there an extra 1.6 maginification for a smaller sensor?

This camera also has 4x digital magnification.
How does that fit in?
Does it give an extra few mm?


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yoda wrote:
Josh of the Bushveld wrote:
yoda wrote:
If the bridge camera has a 30x zoom, what is the equivalent in mm?

zoom refers to the relative range of focal lengths, ie 30x zoom means the longest focal length is 30 times the shortest focal length, e.g. 300mm to 10mm is a 30x zoom, so is 20mm-600mm. The lens will have a separate 'equivalent focal length' designation.


So according to the specs, the focal length is 4.3 - 129mm

So the zoom is therefore 30 x 4.3 ie the 129mm?
If I understand correctly?

Is there an extra 1.6 maginification for a smaller sensor?

This camera also has 4x digital magnification.
How does that fit in?
Does it give an extra few mm?

The other way round: 129/4.3 = 30x zoom
Those focal lengths, combined with sensor size, provide an equivalent field-of-view
Digital zoom means they simply enlarge the pixels, so the resolution drops. In general, digital zoom shouldn't be used too often due to quality degradation.

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 Post subject: Re: Camera for a child
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In the end, I went for a Panasonic Lumix LZ30

Was more or less the same price.
But the Zoom is 35X, not the 30X of the Canon.
And is 16 MP not 12 MP of the Canon.

My son seems thrilled with it. And has played with it around the house, getting the feel for it etc.


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