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 Post subject: Re: Cycads in the wild
Unread postPosted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 2:09 pm 
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I, me and myself! :evil:


Ditto Imberbe and this certainly strikes a nerve gmlsmit.

I have visited this thread for the first time today and it is good to know there are fellow cycad lovers out there (pity not much more cycads out there).

JenB I think plants collected pre-legislation days went through a sort of amnesty and legislation is against collecting cycads from the wild today - not that this legislation is much of a deterrence.

It is really sad to see how this beautiful plants are being destroyed especially the E. middleburgensis you mentioned and also the E. eugene maraisii.

I guess part of the problem is how much these plants could fetch and the unscrupulous collectors who will pay for them. A mature middleburgensis could fetch about R180000.00 or more. There is a market for them, just like elephant tusks and rhino horn and the legislation is inadequate. I think it was Chief Seattle who said that when mankind has destroyed everything around him he will disocver how lonely he is (or words to that effect)

For those who do not know Southern Africa has 40 cycad species (39 from the genus Encephalartos and 1 from genus Stangeria) and there are about 300 species globally.

2 of our species, Encephalartos woodii and Encephalrtos relictus are already extinct in the wild and many are critically endangered. The big danger to the survival of these plants are wild collected plants and habitat destruction. As JenB has said nobody cares about plants making there way overseas through the illegal trade.

If you are in the Gauteng area and interested than good places to see these beautiful plants are the Walter Sisulu gardens and the National botanical gardes in Tshwane.


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 Post subject: Re: Cycads in the wild
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Jen, what you wrote above is not even sick - it is downright sordid & criminal :!: :!: :!:

I think the major problem here is that there is NO deterrent in force that makes sense. Take for example, the plant you spoke of would cost in excess of R25,000 (probably much more - i am not up with high-end cycad prices). Should someone be prosecuted for illegal trading, the fine would be no more than R2,000. What then, has the law got that says to everyone "do NOT poach or trade in illegal cycads. If you do, you will get burnt" ? I would say a reasonable fine would be 3 or 4 times the market value of the plant, payable in cash, or alternatively a jail sentence - that should get a message across to the poacher / criminal elements that are doing this damage.

However, i wouldn't hold out much hope of this happening - there seem to be elements in this country that are hell-bent on environmental destruction under the guise of "progress". Take for example - the recently approved mining scheme along a pristine 20km stretch of WildCoast dunes (to an Australian company, nogal!!!). If one can't visualise the effect that this will have, go and have a look at what has happened with the rehabilitation of the mining operations in the Richards Bay area.

'Nuff said !!!

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 Post subject: Re: Cycads in the wild
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Also to be seen at MONTECASINO - beautiful , but what justifies the issueing of a permit for the destruction of these plants from the wild except R $ R $ .unfortunately R $ can buy anything in today's society .

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 Post subject: Re: Cycads in the wild
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Sharifa wrote:
JenB I think plants collected pre-legislation days went through a sort of amnesty and legislation is against collecting cycads from the wild today - not that this legislation is much of a deterrence.

True, I'm speaking under correction but legislation has been in place for a good number of years. When amnesty was granted, cycads were not the common garden specimens as they are today but the illegal trade has skyrocketed since then. I'm sure that illegal traders claim all of these plants to be from pre-legislation days but it is not possible. What concerns me is the fact that the plants removed from the wild today are being permitted and I cannot see how it is legally done. I can't help thinking that there seem to be easy ways of obtain permits.

All the cycad species in South Africa are under tremendous threat. The ones inside the National parks do stand some chance of survival but unfortunately the rest are mostly on privately owned land where the is no or little infrastructure for their protection. Those plants are sitting ducks so to speak. I fully agree, the punishment certainly do not fit the crime!

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 Post subject: Re: Cycads in the wild
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Hi Jen, I share your outrage.

In your first post you asked if anyone has cycads in their garden. Hope these bring a smile to your face. Yes, these plants are permitted and as you will see they are still minnows but I l like to think of it as my bit in trying to preserve the species.

Encephalartos transvenosus (Modjaji cycad)

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E. horridus, E. trispinosus, E. lanatus, E. ghellincki and E. cupidus

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 Post subject: Re: Cycads in the wild
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Sharifa! :clap: You have lovely Cycads! It is heartwarming to see obviously cultivated plants growing in gardens. That is one way of ensuring the survival of the species. I do not have any problem with one having Cycads in the garden, but I feel there is enough to go around and the ones in nature need to be respected.

Some of my success stories:
E. transvenosus and E.laevifolius.
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E msinganus female in cone.
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I tried my hand at polination and...! :dance:
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The very first root! :D

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 Post subject: Re: Cycads in the wild
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A few more in Natures garden!
E. longifolius
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E. cycadifolius
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E. lanatus
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E. latifrons
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E. princeps
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E. horridus seedling :D
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All photos supplied by Ren.
Some of them taken in Addo! :clap:

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 Post subject: Re: Cycads in the wild
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Hi Jen,

Really :D to see the results of your pollination :clap: :clap: :clap:

and the E. msinganus is a gem.


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 Post subject: Re: Cycads in the wild
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Hi Jen
Your garden plants are very impressive - and don't they just make a nice garden STUNNING ??? :thumbs_up:
Your pics of the plants in nature are really awesome - we can only hope & pray that the criminals don't get their hands on them.
You must be really chuffed that your seedlings are popping out ... congrats !! :clap:

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 Post subject: Re: Cycads in the wild
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Hi Jen,

How you? Summer are nearly over, but my cycads starting to shoot cones!!! :dance:

I have a few fertile Lebombo seeds. Wish my Middelburg will shoot!

Any new sightings in the Kruger, of any cycads? I was there in October 2008, January 2009 and going now again in March looking to see if I can get a glimps on the Kruger Collection. But I never seen one, sad to know that they are out there but it will take a lifetime to see them.

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Hidee Scorpy,
The seeds are looking good but it a slow process. Unfortunately more and more of them seem to be floating belly up. :whistle:

Hi Leopard-cub, welcome to the forum! :D So, you are another self committed cycad lover? :clap:
Good luck with the Lebombo seeds. :thumbs_up: My SO does have a theory on getting plants to shoot but he'll have to tell you himself! :twisted: :lol:

I'm always scanning for cycads in KNP but until now I've not been able to find any, I'll do a bit of asking around. :wink: Whatcha know, YOU might see the first one. :whistle:

(KNP..... March? Are you planning to be at the cricket?? :twisted: )

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 Post subject: Re: Cycads in the wild
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Hi Jen
So sorry to hear that your seeds aren't as prolific as you expected / hoped. I guess this is the way of nature. Yes, cycads do test one's patience to the limit, but the rewards are really great.
I am hoping that all this rain will induce a few of my favourite plants to push cones (ie. Lehamnii, Lanatus (i have 2 - one is a male))

I would love to hear your SO's theory :hmz:


Hi LC
Glad to make your acquaintance. The more of us here, the merrier. :thumbs_up:

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