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 Post subject: Re: WHY DO POACHERS HUNT CERTAIN ANIMALS?
Unread postPosted: Thu Jan 14, 2010 8:33 am 
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I think the WAR ON POACHERS should create a system that reasearches the market which motivates poachers to do what they do and arrest those purchasing Tusks, animal skins etc. If the market is attakced as well its not easy for them to survive on poaching. Lets not just chase the guy who kills :sniper: the animals but shut down the market. :clap:


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 Post subject: Re: WHY DO POACHERS HUNT CERTAIN ANIMALS?
Unread postPosted: Thu Jan 14, 2010 3:43 pm 
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hi oznes

How we fight against poaching is really doesn´t matter the thing is we have to fight. Your Thuoghts with the markets is great, but in my oppinion that is utopia. In the long run it will may be help, but not in the short run. I think we have to combine the actions. The first actions which have to be done, is fighting agains poachers direcktly, secondly we should try to eliminate things on animals which make them to victims eg. Ivory tusks of Elephants can be removed. Thirdly we should try to increase Natural protections Army. then of course clarify humans on the importance of nature eg. in terms of nature and so on. At least we should try to shut down the market, because that will take years to full fill the goal.
Only these actions in combination can help.

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All you have said is true, but also Utopia.

Malealea wrote:
Ivory tusks of Elephants can be removed. Thirdly we should try to increase Natural protections Army.


Who goes to a park to see elephant without tusks, Rhino without horns etc.?
Not me. :hmz:


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 Post subject: Re: WHY DO POACHERS HUNT CERTAIN ANIMALS?
Unread postPosted: Thu Jan 14, 2010 6:01 pm 
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Hi Michel,

Its only an Idea. If you eliminate the reason why poachers kill these animals then it would be good to think about it. Beauty is not the main goal, but protecktion. If the protecktion of animals and nature can be done with the lost of beauty then it is a cost I can pay, to speak in a methphorikal way. I´m not even sure if visitors of Kruger will realise that horns of Rhino etc. are missing. Would be very intresting to test :D .

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 Post subject: Re: WHY DO POACHERS HUNT CERTAIN ANIMALS?
Unread postPosted: Mon Mar 01, 2010 7:16 pm 
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You cannot remove the tusks from elephants, they use them to defend themselves and anyway there are too many elephants, thank goodness.

If people are poaching through hunger and for their families to eat, we must be understanding and help them. Maybe game from the park could be sold at a very low price to local people and maybe, the local people should be encouraged to keep antelope for food themselves and then sell the food. That way, there would not be the damage of cattle entering the parks.

We need new ideas and Far East campaigns explaining Viagra is better than rhino horn, which as has been said, is no different than eating fingernails.


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Unread postPosted: Mon Mar 01, 2010 10:50 pm 
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Although the de-horning of rhino and the cutting off of the tusks of elephant may be considered in the most severe cases, and has been used previously to help address the poaching issue in some countries, it is far from being an ideal solution.

Apart from the obvious tourism draw backs, costs involved and drain on manpower, it also has a considerable impact on the individual animals involved. They firstly need to be chemically immobilised, which is a stressful exercise with its own inherent dangers.

There after the animal will be without the instruments with which he / she is used to live with. Though we don't understand it adequately as yet, we know that these animals suffer stress. How can we understand what this does to the individual animal?

For both the elephant and the rhino it is also an important defensive instrument. Should they suddenly face a competitor who may not have suffered the same fate, they will be at a severe disadvantage.

One would also ask what the long term influence on genetics will be. Animals with inferior genes may be advantaged to be able to compete with animals with superior traits, causing the over all genetic pool to weaken.

Elephants also extensively use their tusks for feeding purposes. Though they are very capable of adapting to a tusk less situation, it will have a major impact on the way they feed, and the type of food they are capable of exploiting, especially during the dry season when they start exploiting bark and roots.

For this de-tusking effort to succeed in its goal, you will have to remove the tusks of the vast majority of elephant in a reserve. So if you multiply this change in feeding pattern to the level of the whole population of elephant, you may actually start affecting the ecology of the area, by changing the species they focus their feeding on, and removing or limiting the impact on other species.

So, this is at the best a last ditch temporary fix to a desperate situation, and not a solution to the problem.

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 Post subject: Re: WHY DO POACHERS HUNT CERTAIN ANIMALS?
Unread postPosted: Tue Mar 02, 2010 5:21 pm 
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Removing of horns would be brutal and cruel. The media would feed on that system and whatever Resort or game farm impliments that idea would probably be sued by conservation organisation and sued by vegitarians.
The animals shouldnt be affected by the solution but liberated by its outcome.

my sentiments...shoot the shooters, eliminate the poachers.


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Just a note to say Britain amongst other western countries has banned the import of ivory. "CITIES" This is the Convention on International Trade in Endangered species; This body banned the sale of ivory in 1989, however since then it has relaxed this ruling to allow the sale of stockpiled ivory by certain african countries, '(I believe Kenya is one). BUT all proceeds from sales must go back into elephant conservation. Unfortunately it is countries such as China who stilll wish to import such items, and of course there are still those ignorant people who want to hunt and put the head/skin of a wild animal on the walls! Only education and example will overcome this. :( :shock:


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:hmz: ...I read somewhere, or perhaps have seen it on TV, where an experiment of sorts took place where they fitted prosthesis on a de-horned rhino. I'm not sure what the reasons for the experiment would be as this option would benefit the rhino only as a deterrent to an aggressor, and not as a weapon.
I really don't think the practice of de tusking or removal of any part of an animal is a viable solution to the demand of these products.
And education...well only time will tell on that issue.
We humans are somewhat smart, and we definitely have the wherewithal to synthesize these products, from ivory to powered Rhino horn.

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 Post subject: Re: WHY DO POACHERS HUNT CERTAIN ANIMALS?
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hi

Of course it will affeckt the animals also in the further life... .Haven´t thought about that but you are right!

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