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 Post subject: Animals at War
Unread postPosted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 10:57 am 
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On the Honey Badger thead it was posted that peeps on the night drive at Lower Sabie witnessed a HB taking on some lions. We saw the result the next morning - a dead honey badger :( .

During my trip in November I saw this hippo lying in a shallow pool for about two days - actually thought it was dead. It had rather deap scratches/wounds and I wondered if this was caused by a fight with another hippo or was it attacked by lions. Can anyone tell from the nature of the wounds?


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It would be interesting to read about other animal interactions.

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 Post subject: Re: Animals at War
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As far as I know there is/was only one tribe of lions that attack hippos, so I guess this is the result of a hippo / hippo fight...

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 Post subject: Re: Animals at War
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Hippo fights are common and nasty and very serious. Many hippos are killed by other hippo. Mostly bull on bull violence in fights over territory, since they are very territorial and only dominant bulls will breed.

The fact that this hippo is lying in a clearly inadequate pool of water, indicates that he has been pushed out of prime habitat such as a river or big dam, by another bull.

It is difficult to say from the wounds who the culprit was. Chances are however better that it was another hippo, rather than lion.

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 Post subject: Re: Animals at War
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Although we cannot see the rest of the body it appears to me that injuries are more on the back and side of the hippo, which, in my humble opinion, points to a lion attack from the back. A lion will never take on a hippo from the front.

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 Post subject: Re: Animals at War
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Thanks for the response. :D

Imberbe, I also thought so - but after watching "Lion Army" I wondered how often do lions try to take hippo, and maybe it was so in this case? Is it only the big lion pride at Singita (as shown in the docce) that will go for hippo?

AWB - that is also what I am wondering about as the head and shoulders of the hippo showed no sings of injury. I would think that if it was a fight with another bull he would have had some injuries to his head and neck. I must add that on day 2 he had turned around and I could see that there were no wounds on his front parts.

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As I said, it is impossible to give a definitive answer, so the lion hypothesis is possible. I must also admit that these injuries could very well be lion, looking at the amount of scratches, etc. You might suspect less marks but more big severe gashes from a hippo attack. :hmz:

Lion as a rule do not spend too much time trying to catch hippo though. It is a big gamble, with a small chance of success, but a big payout! :wink:

Maybe this hippo was exposed to lion attack, precisely because he has been forced in to this small pool through competition ... But it is also clear that if that is the case, the lions had limited success.

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 Post subject: Re: Animals at War
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Thanks Imberbe

I suppose we will never know - but still very interesting.

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very interesting painter! :thumbs_up:

The more likely culprit is another hippo but i agree that with that many scratches maybe it could be lion

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 Post subject: Re: Animals at War
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Lions hunt injured or sich prey. Maybe it is an combination of both. That means first the hippo had a hippo fight was injured and then he was attacked by a Lion it can be! I do not belive that only one pride exist which kill hippos. How often do we see Lions killin a Buffualo. Therefor i would go for a lion.

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 Post subject: Re: Animals at War
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Definitely lion!


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I'm no expert but if this hippo was forced to this inadequate pool after being in a fight he would probably not be too far from the harem of the other bull. I doubt this hippo would venture very far from water, and almost certainly not far enough away to get atttacked by lions. We all know, kitties don't like getting their paws wet.

I do know that when seals and sea lions fight injuries are sustained on the back, even if the opponent didn't make any contact there. This is because the loser is thrown around onto the ground and stones etc. cut into the back. Is it possible this hippo fell onto rocky ground during an encounter with a bigger bull?

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