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 Post subject: Sick and Injured Lions (Incl.TB not for sensitive veiwers)
Unread postPosted: Sun Jun 14, 2009 9:36 pm 
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Thank you for your response. If it was one or two lions, I would feel the same way as you and we should just let nature run its course. But isn't it contagious, and aren't many many animals being infected? Shouldn't they get the sick animals out of there, so as to save the healthy ones? Would they let the entire population die, just because that's nature?

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 Post subject: Re: What is done with sick lions?
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Hi LL

Regrettably that's an impossible task. See if you can find the 'Lions with weird eyes' thread... Or google 'TB lions Kruger' and you will see the far-reaching effects of TB - and which animals are carriers of this disease, etc. :thumbs_up:

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 Post subject: Re: What is done with sick lions?
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Found the missing link :wink:

viewtopic.php?f=21&t=32522

I think only one or two experts posted here... (not me), so perhaps it will be better if you google to get the facts straight from the horse's mouth, so to speak. :thumbs_up:

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 Post subject: Re: What is done with sick lions?
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It is actually very complex.

Firstly TB affects whole populations, and especially social animals. It is transmitted through an animals breath, coughing, spit, etc. Once it enters the animal, it starts spreading. But an animal can remain relatively healthy and functioning for years after being infected. In fact, it is mostly the older animals that die of the disease. Another sickness, injury or even just old age, may push their system to a point where it can no longer resist.

The facts are that, should you want to eradicate the sickness by removing infected animals, you would have to remove virtually the entire population of lion and buffalo, and large populations of other species. It would cause a major ecological impact.

At this stage it does not seem that TB will succeed in killing the whole population of lion or any other animal. It may have some social influence, by lowering the average age of populations ... but that remains to be seen.

Have a look at this thread: www.sanparks.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=10247&hilit=Tuberculosis

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 Post subject: Re: What is done with sick lions?
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Thank you for the links, I have read them, and deep down I do understand. But it's still very upsetting. If I go to a South African Park, I am going for the lions. Period. And I don't think I would be able to handle seeing this for myself. And from all the information given so far, the future is very very bleak for all these animals. :( This makes me so sad, and I kind of wish I could go back to the ignorance I had before I visited the website.

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 Post subject: Re: What is done with sick lions?
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I understand ... it is not nice knowing that animals do get sick and there is relatively little we can do about it.

As a kind of consolation ... your chance of really seeing a sick lion is not good at all. I go regularly and have only once seen a seriously ill lion. The reason you pick it up on the forums, is precisely because it is an emotive and extraordinary experience. People want to talk about it.

On the other hand, your chance of seeing a beautiful healthy lion is very good ... :thumbs_up:

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 Post subject: Re: What is done with sick lions?
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Hi Imberbe, true, but in recent years we have seen more and more sick lions. I also sooo wish that this was not the case, but harsh reality has a way of sneaking in unexpectedly...

Not knowing, not thinking about it, will not let it go disappear. Rather we know than not knowing. That way we maximize our interaction with healthy lions (albeit if from the safety of a vehicle)!

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 Post subject: Re: What is done with sick lions?
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In the longer run, well, quite a bit longer run, the more resistant lions will be the only ones around. So all they need to do now is survive.
And of all the lions I saw in Kruger and KTP, and that's quite a few, only one visibly had TB. The rest looked good to great. 8)

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 Post subject: Re: What is done with sick lions?
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I'm all for knowing that this exists in order for something to be done. But knowing and doing nothing, that kills me. As far as my peace of mind is concerned, I definitely was better off not knowing. It's not the old and sick lions that upset me, it's only the TB lions that concern me. Age is just part of life, but TB shouldn't be.

Thank you for all the info, even though it wasn't what I wanted to hear.

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 Post subject: Re: What is done with sick lions?
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If I go to a South African Park, I am going for the lions. Period.


Hi LL,

In that case, there is only one SANPARK for you. Kgalagadi. The lions there are disease free, much bigger than Kruger lions and have black manes.
It is a desert park, so there is no dense bush like in Kruger.

Chuck in cheetah, leopard, brown & spoted hyena, African wild cat, Cape & bat eared fox, plus honey badger - I am making myself jealous here....

Spend some time looking at KTP trip reports and I am sure you will be drawn there.

I have been 5 times in 9 years and the magnet is pulling....

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 Post subject: Re: What is done with sick lions?
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This lovely lady was in the shade about 300 metres from the picnic site where we studied her spoor going through the middle.

A lovely Kalahari lioness. Why she was alone, I don't know

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We saw these 2 brothers that 'control' the Kij Kij area.

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A pile of Kalahari lions doing what they do best - sleep.

This is quite a small male, still quite young I would say.

His front paws are hanging onto the road.

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 Post subject: Re: What is done with sick lions?
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So Lion Lover, when will we see you there.

All it takes is a reservation, a plane ride to Upington via Johannesburg or Cape Town (to pick me up :twisted: ) hire a car in Upington, buy provisions and get there.

The chalets are kitted out with bedding, fridge and utensils etc. It will be a dream come true.

:hmz: I am making myself want to go back and I was there in December.

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 Post subject: Re: What is done with sick lions?
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Hi Lion Lover,

If you follow BB's advice,try the wilderness camp Grootkolk!! :lol:
Great place to get the" African Bush feeling!!"
As you can see,lion also act like Pussy cats!!

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This was early morning in front of AFRICAT's cabin!We were neighbours there!
As BB said,Kalahari Lions are very impressive!!

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