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This months Africa Geographic has a special on the endangered
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Thanks Bert, I'll get myself a copy.

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Haven't seen them in Kruger, but saw one in Kgalagadi last September, on the way to the confluence from 2R. It was on our quick 5km final drive before heading for home and our first quilly one. WOOHOO!

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On my recent trip to Grahamstown, I saw a very distressing sight. (...)


macho mouse, a whole cottage industry has sprung up regarding the collection of porcupine quills. I read an article on it, can't rightly remember where now, but it seems they are collected for the flower arranging industry. The article seemed to imply that the current status was that they were collected as opposed to being killed off for their quills. it also implied that it was informally regulated. But I'm a sceptic and believe that people will plunder natural resources if given half the chance.

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Mountainview, I am also a sceptic.
I find it hard to believe that there are that many quills around to support this kind of industry to that extent.
I also do not know how one could regulate it.
What concerns me is that having this as a potential source of cash in a subsistance economy will encourage poaching.

The lady I saw had very large bundles of various sizes.

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If I can remember correctly, it's the famers who are regulating the collection on their farms. But how does one do that?

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This whole topic is described in the new African Geopgraphic.

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Killing an animal is one thing, but getting killed whilst trying to safe one is another.


I've had so many close calls especially here where I live, but its pure instinct to swerve or hit anchors, SO reckons I will be the death of myself one day :?

and re procupine quills, I lived on a farm that was overrun with porcies, they wrecked my garden :lol: and we very, very seldom picked up any quills, so a story of "collecting" quills in such vast amounts is nonsense, they are hunted for them, end of story :evil:


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Jay wrote:
I've had so many close calls especially here where I live, but its pure instinct to swerve or hit anchors, SO reckons I will be the death of myself one day :?


Yes, or someone else as my SO keeps reminding me. :?

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and re procupine quills, I lived on a farm that was overrun with porcies, they wrecked my garden :lol: and we very, very seldom picked up any quills, so a story of "collecting" quills in such vast amounts is nonsense, they are hunted for them, end of story :evil:


People really should be aware that porcupines are killed for their quills and that it is not done to buy them. :evil:


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According to the article there are dealers who have 20,000
quill's for sale
Its a big business
prices for a bundle in the shops are from R6 to R12 and R3 per one.
Farmers and locals are encouraged to kill.
Again, money can be made

The article is by Belinda Ashton, investigating on behalf of IFAW
(International fund for animal welfare)

In short, porcupines are starting to vanish from SA
(Except the protected areas)

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The only way this will stop is by targeting the market, often an overseas market. Telling hungry people to stop it will do nothing.
I am pleased that there is a growing awareness.

Jay, I'm afraid you are probably right, these quills are not just picked up.

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Last year while my SO was training for the biggest timed cycle race in the world, I drove up Chappies and saw a pp that had been run over. Nobody had started stripping quills yet. I wondered if it would be legal to take the quills, because there is no fence around TMNP, demarcating its boundaries. I was far too busy administering refreshments & encouragement to give it any thought at the time.

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BB, are there many porcupines in that area?

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I would imagine so MM. The fynbos area has them. We had a house at Betty's Bay until recently and occasionally found quills, but never saw the owners. Mind you we did not do much driving at the dad of night when they are active.

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Night time is when they are active BB, that's when they eat one's Arum lilies and the garlic you plant around the arums to deter them :lol:
I also virtually walked into one at night when we lived in Clovelly(next to Fish Hoek BB), there they came into the garden to feed on the cannas.


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