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 Post subject: Re: Kruger Rules & Regs and reporting transgressions
Unread postPosted: Thu Nov 26, 2009 1:45 pm 
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I don't think anybody 'makes up' incidents to get anyone else into trouble. Unfortunately we live in a sick society where the guilty attack those who question their lawbreaking instead of accepting, admitting and turning away from their guilt. They are aggressive towards those pointing it out.

One needs incontrovertible proof to nail these cretins who get away with it all too often, supported by bleeding hearts who encourage their behaviour.

'Don't worry, it's not your fault' because his mommy smacked him and warped him.

Sorry for the rant, but I am sick of sickos getting away with murder.

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 Post subject: Re: Kruger Rules & Regs and reporting transgressions
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BB thats your opinion..and very valid it is to.

But what is Sanparks opinion on what the public should do when they see an offence being commited?

Do people 'make up' incidents just to get someone else into trouble? Who knows, but reporting the incident in such a manner that the alleged offender can be prosecuted on the strength of it would be extremly helpful.

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 Post subject: Re: Kruger Rules & Regs and reporting transgressions
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Bush Baptist wrote:
I don't think anybody 'makes up' incidents to get anyone else into trouble. Unfortunately we live in a sick society where the guilty attack those who question their lawbreaking instead of accepting, admitting and turning away from their guilt. They are aggressive towards those pointing it out.

One needs incontrovertible proof to nail these cretins who get away with it all too often, supported by bleeding hearts who encourage their behaviour.

'Don't worry, it's not your fault' because his mommy smacked him and warped him.

Sorry for the rant, but I am sick of sickos getting away with murder.


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 Post subject: Re: Kruger Rules & Regs and reporting transgressions
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Snow Zee wrote:
But what is Sanparks opinion on what the public should do when they see an offence being commited?

Hi SZ,

We have guide from Kruger - and there are also various other posts where officials have given guidance on what to do.

You might also find this topic of help

I have asked Kruger for an official word on this again.

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 Post subject: Re: Kruger Rules & Regs and reporting transgressions
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Thanks DB....


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 Post subject: Re: To protrude or not to protrude
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I am quoting some earlier posts in this topic FYI:

KNP Spokesman wrote:
Hi Everyone

Could I ask that the moderators merge this thread with this other "rules of the park" thread which is apparently on the same subject so that we are all on the same page here?

I haven't read WTM's comments on the "other" thread yet, but a few short comments from us here:
* Our enforcement officers are briefed to be reasonable in this case and to interpret the difference between "protruding" and pointing with a hand or camera out of the window. This photograph shows what we interpret as "protruding":
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* "Uitsteek" vs "protrude" (for Francoisd). I see where you are confused and will try and answer thus - you can point your arm out of the window and/or even put your head out of the window, but when you hang out of the window from your belt upwards, we interpret that as "protruding".

Hope this explains.

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Another one:
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Bushmad wrote:
You say that this happens, depending on the severity of the situation, a "friendly letter" is not always the right action to take. If someone is photgraphed stealing tortoises or behaving very badly then fines and bans should be on the cards.


Hi Bushmad

Sorry. My sense of humour got the better of me on this one. The "friendly letter" was indeed a fine. (That will teach me to be clear and explicit on the forum!).

But, many are not followed up with the "friendly letter" because in some photographs you cannot see details clearly and - although well meant - the visitor often doesn't supply the correct or complete information. This is why it is vital for the complainant to approach the law enforcement official in person, so that all these details can be included. It is also vital that people do go forward with the charges and act as witnesses too. Even although our rangers do regular patrols and the security staff are often seen on the roads (they drive Condors with blue lights on the roof), we can't be everywhere at once!

You raise another good point. There is nothing worse than - while trying to enjoy your holiday - you have to play "policeman". There is also another point to ponder here - would you feel welcome in a place where there are notices/signs all over the place that say "Don't do this" , "Don't do that" etc?

I reckon (again not necessarily the opinion of the organisation) the following: There are indeed (basically) two types of people who come to the KNP. Those who have visited for years, knowing and respecting the rules, and who enjoy the KNP for what it is (like you and Penny and others say in previous posts). Then there are the "new" visitors who might not necessarily know or understand the old "traditions" of the KNP, but who are keen to experience the national park (which, by the way, belongs to ALL South Africans). I would sincerely welcome any initiative taken by groups of the former (possibly Honorary Rangers???) to try and educate the latter. Now here is a challenge - if you see a family or group of the latter who are perhaps battling with the whole idea of "KNP Culture", perhaps go up to them and tell them of your good, positive experiences and why you come to the Kruger? That way, the "culture" is passed on. After all, how was it passed on in previous generations?

Speaking of the exceptions to the former group not breaking the rules: One of the Mugs of the Month in Getaway edition of August 2004 wrote a letter in his defence, stating that he had come to Kruger for the last 20/30/40 years (I hear that statement so often, its all a bit of a blur) and had always followed the rules. According to him, he was out of his vehicle because he says he saw a baby elephant slipping down an embankment and wanted to make sure the elephant was ok. Baby elephants - which although they might be young, are pretty resilient - have been slipping down embankments for thousands of years and the species has survived!

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 Post subject: Re: Kruger Rules & Regs and reporting transgressions
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DinkyBird you will always hear some lame excuse from the victim when you find him with his hand in the cookie jar

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 Post subject: Re: Kruger Rules & Regs and reporting transgressions
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Regarding visitors to the forthcoming World Cup in South Africa..

At every major overseas sporting event there are major problems when the law in the country hosting the event are not the same as the law the sports fan comes from and misunderstandings become acrimonious,the press gets involved, and the event is ruined for many.

I dont see any guide lines on this subject anywhere else on this forum...so could someone in authority in Sanparks please tell us what happens once an offence commited in a park has been reported and a photo of the alleged offenders vehicle registration plate plus a sworn statement is handed in?

Is the matter handled by the South African police? If not who questions the alleged offender? Who decides whether they have, in fact, commited an offence?

Do they have access to a lawyer? Do some offences carry a prison sentence? How much are people fined? Are people considered innocent until proven guilty, or is it the other way around?

I think its important to know these things so that those thinking of visiting SA can make sure they have the necessary legal insurance and have enough funds available to cover any fine they may incur.

If this information cannot be made available on this website, where can visitors access it?

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 Post subject: Re: Kruger Rules & Regs and reporting transgressions
Unread postPosted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 2:49 pm 
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@ Snow Zee.Wow.You really wont let this go will you. It has been explained at length but you really seem intent on believing somehow you will be unfairly persecuted by someone who has nothing better to do than fabricate malicious stories against which you will need to defend yourself. Read the rules that are handed out when you enter the park.Then dont commit any of the offences listed and youll be fine. I promise.-----


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 Post subject: Re: Kruger Rules & Regs and reporting transgressions
Unread postPosted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 2:55 pm 
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Perhaps you havent seen the misery the misunderstandings of another countries laws can cause amongst sports fans overseas AjayB...and it is, as I have said at the top of my last post, only visiting sports fans I am talking about here.

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 Post subject: Re: Kruger Rules & Regs and reporting transgressions
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DinkyBird wrote:
Snow Zee wrote:
But what is Sanparks opinion on what the public should do when they see an offence being commited?

Hi SZ,

We have guide from Kruger - and there are also various other posts where officials have given guidance on what to do.

You might also find this topic of help

I have asked Kruger for an official word on this again.

DinkyBird wrote:
Herewith the OFFICIAL response from Kruger National Park:

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Hi Dalene

My apologies for responding only now; I have been sick for the past few days.

Visitors who witness rule breakers should take culprits details e.g. vehicle registration, picture etc; where possible they should contact 013 735 4325 immediately or report to the nearest park official. They do not have reprimand the offender as some people might become violent in such situations.

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Laura Mukwevho
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Kruger National Park


I encourage all forum members to support and assist SANParks and follow their guideline when witnessing rules being broken in the Parks.

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 Post subject: Re: Kruger Rules & Regs and reporting transgressions
Unread postPosted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 3:06 pm 
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Soccer fans are no different to all the usual tourists who the SANParks staff deal with every day of their lives and for the most part very competently at that. Any tourists have a few simple rules to follow about which there can be very little misundertsanding regardless of language.
Dont speed
Dont litter
Dont get out of your car
Dont feed the animals
Dont drive off the roads

Soccer fans are not anything new Theyre tourists who like soccer. Or am I missing something?


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 Post subject: Re: Kruger Rules & Regs and reporting transgressions
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You are missing something. Perhaps if you read my initial post you will better understand what information I have suggested be made available to visiting fans.

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 Post subject: Re: Kruger Rules & Regs and reporting transgressions
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I read your post . Thats why I responded.


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