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I hope so, cause thats what I use the term Sub-Adult for

Just a little philosophical rant from my side ...

Many times we as humans try to order things, that is how our minds, culture and even language works. Nature does not always work like that. From there the little "post script" in that comment stating: "The situation get complicated in long lived species ....", etc. That is because everything do not fit in to the pigeon holes we want them to fit in to.

Every rule has an exception ...

By stating this I do not want to discredited the different terms just discussed. They are useful in describing different aspects of and stages in bird development. But they are merely that ... indications.

Maybe we should not be too rigid.

Philosophical rant over ...

Thanks Imberbe

I hope theres no Copy Right on your post?!...........Im going to use the fact that not everything works in the order you would like, with my Varsity homework!

I really have to help this poor young man out of his innocence ...

Copyright Imberbe 2009

... or take philosophy 101!

I did really well in that course!

Must of been a self study?!

News flash ... Varsity is all self study!

The exact reason I wanted to use you're philosophy!!!

Hi guys, good to be back on the birding forum after the Ratpack trip - missed you all!

For once I'm a bit stumped... Or am I being stupid!? Seen outside Satara on 31 Jan 09. What is this!? Size was (I guess) probably 30 cm. Unfortunately never turned around for us.





Look forward to your answers!

Welcome back

Going on size, and the yellow cere and legs.......Im thinking immature Little Sparrow Hawk, unfortunately I have no refrences with me to be certain!

Would like to see what others have to say!

Going by the description in Roberts Bird Guide this is a juvenile African Goshawk. "White eyebrow and dark median throat stripe seperate it from smaller juv Little Sparrowhawk." Seems spot on!

Always helps to have a feild guide

I do remeber that throat stripe being African Goshawk now, thanks JoelR!

Just never knew if a young African Goshawk had a yellow cere or not!

It seemed very small to me...at least 20cm. But then again...It was late

How many beers down the hatch DotDan??!

The lighting seems fine to me!

Hmm, I don't know guys. I don't have any reference material with me right now and I'm in a bit of a hurry but the general feel I get from this bird doesn't say either African Gos or Little Spar to me (the tail is wrong for Little Spar anyway).

As I say, I don't have any reference material with me now but I'[m tempted to call this a juvie Lizard Buzzard. Will return tomorrow to see what I can make of it.