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 Post subject: Re: A new Look At Addo
Unread postPosted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 3:33 pm 
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It does look a bit odd for Steppe Buzzard when looking at the enlarged image. Barring and long legs are more like one would expect from one of the Goshawks rather than our Steppe Buzzard.
The colouration however, isn't as one would expect for the normal PCG. Juvenile/Immature birds have orange legs and cere with a pale yellow iris. They are usually lighter in colour than what we are seeing here and would show a whitish/buff eyebrow. I'm used to their over-all colour being a bit lighter than this bird. Barring should extend all the way down the legs.
Adults have the orange-red legs and cere with the dark eye that we know. And of course the over-all pale grey colour.
Only very young birds (chicks) would show yellow legs with a greyish iris (changing to yellow when fledged). Bill should be black with grey cere This bird does seem to be quite young still when one looks at the yellow gape but except for the yellow legs, the other things don't match up 100%.

I'll have a look tonight at home in some of my books if I can find some more info that might help.

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 Post subject: Re: Identification Help - Raptors
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Just a little philosophical rant from my side ... :roll:

Many times we as humans try to order things, that is how our minds, culture and even language works. Nature does not always work like that. From there the little "post script" in that comment stating: "The situation get complicated in long lived species ....", etc. That is because everything do not fit in to the pigeon holes we want them to fit in to.

Every rule has an exception ...

By stating this I do not want to discredited the different terms just discussed. They are useful in describing different aspects of and stages in bird development. But they are merely that ... indications.

Maybe we should not be too rigid. :wink:

Philosophical rant over ... :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Identification Help - Raptors
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Thanks Imberbe :lol:

I hope theres no Copy Right on your post?!...........Im going to use the fact that not everything works in the order you would like, with my Varsity homework! :twisted: :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: A new Look At Addo
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Dark eye, yellow gape and cere, yellow legs, head shape & 'facial expression' point towards Steppe for me. (PCG has got this mean look on its face).
When looking at 10 different Steppe you'll find 10 different chest & belly colourations/markings & barring but I believe that this one fits in well enough between parameters. (Had a look at plenty photo's & sketches last night)
Think the bird's body position is creating an 'illusion' of extra long legs. I do believe that the bird in Sasol's illustration is a bit short when compared to photos I've been looking at.

Maybe I'm wrong but I'll stick to my original id of it being a Steppe Buzzard.

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 Post subject: Re: A new Look At Addo
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It is a PCG! check the barring on the lower body.

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 Post subject: Re: A new Look At Addo
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Bush Baptist wrote:
It is a PCG! check the barring on the lower body.


BUT..there is no barring down the legs BB and what about the yellow cere and yellow legs etc.... :D

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 Post subject: Re: A new Look At Addo
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It is a PCG! check the barring on the lower body.


An immature PCG should also show vertical markings on its chest. Don't see any here. I can think of a few other birds with barring on the lower body other than PCG.
Take all factors into account and not just one.

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 Post subject: Re: Identification Help - Raptors
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Can someone please give me a positive ID on this raptor, I have been toying with Steppe Buzzard but really not sure?
Seen in Southern Kruger in Feb this year.

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 Post subject: Re: Identification Help - Raptors
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Everything points towards Steppe Buzzard.....Nice pic by the way! :thumbs_up:

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 Post subject: Re: Identification Help - Raptors
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Thanks RJ. :thumbs_up: :D

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 Post subject: Re: Identification Help - Raptors
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Seen at Cape Receife (Port Elizabeth) on 25/09/09
(All photo's of the same bird)

This was taken right next to the sea and close to a large dam of fresh water that hosts all the normal ducks, geese, cormorants, kingfishers commonly found in the area. the vegetation in the area is mostly coastal scrubbery - no real big trees at all
The lower legs were unfeathered and in the field appeared white (this is not clear in the attached images) There was a distinct suggestion of a crest, and flight and tail feathers showed distinct barring
Overall impression was of a very pale buzzard, but could it be a young osprey? - not sure if the yellow cere would support this though?
I cannot come up with a clear candidate, so over to the forum - do your best!!

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 Post subject: Identification Help - Raptors
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stefans wrote:
Seen at Cape Receife (Port Elizabeth) on 25/09/09
(All photo's of the same bird)

This was taken right next to the sea and close to a large dam of fresh water that hosts all the normal ducks, geese, cormorants, kingfishers commonly found in the area. the vegetation in the area is mostly coastal scrubbery - no real big trees at all
The lower legs were unfeathered and in the field appeared white (this is not clear in the attached images) There was a distinct suggestion of a crest, and flight and tail feathers showed distinct barring
Overall impression was of a very pale buzzard, but could it be a young osprey? - not sure if the yellow cere would support this though?
I cannot come up with a clear candidate, so over to the forum - do your best!!


Hi Stefans ,

It actually looks a bit like a long-legged buzzard , but I feel rather confident that it is in fact a steppe buzzard - definitely not an osprey this one...

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 Post subject: Re: Identification Help - Raptors
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We saw this bird at Nylsvley this past Sunday.
Please don't ask me what I think it is, I'm not sure I'm thinking anymore. :roll:

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 Post subject: Re: Identification Help - Raptors
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Hi Jen,

Steppe Buzzard.


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 Post subject: Re: Identification Help - Raptors
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Agreed :thumbs_up:

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