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 Post subject: Afrikaans Animal Names
Unread postPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 7:22 pm 
Mods, I know this excludes foreigners somewhat, but I think it would provide a lively discussion! :)

Being an Afrikaner myself, I have sometimes felt a little disappointed at the originality of thought that went into our ancestors' efforts at naming especially mammals! :shock:

I know there was a large Dutch influence, as that is basically where the language originated...

Most of the Afrikaans names were simply translated into English later on, and those that weren't translatable, remained Afrikaans!

A suitable example would be the naming of antelope:

Rietbok (Reedbuck)
Bosbok (Bushbuck)
Steenbok (Stone Buck)
Waterbok (Waterbuck)
Wildebeest (Wild Cow) :?
Hartebeest (Heart/Hard Cow)
Ribbok (Rib Buck) :shock:

And then when they ran out of habitats to name them after, they went to colours:

Rooibok (Red Buck)
Bloubok (Bluebuck)
Grysbok (Grey Buck)
Blouwidebees (Blue Wild Cow)
Swartwildebees (Black Wild Cow)
Grysduiker (Grey Duiker)
Rooiduiker (Red Duiker)
Blouduiker (Blue Duiker)
Rooiribbok (Red Rib Buck)
Vaalribbok (Drab Rib Buck)

And then when they ran out of those, they used local African names (Kudu, etc.)

And then after that, new ones were simply called "Bastards" of what they had! :(

Bastergemsbok (Bastard Gemsbok - Roan)
Basterhartebeest (Bastard Hartebeest - Tsessebe)
Basterkudu (Sitatunga)

Who has any more exciting Afrikaans names for any animals, birds and reptiles included!?


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Unread postPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 9:16 pm 
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This foreigner doesn't feel at all excluded, RP, I think that this is all very interesting indeed! 8) Besides, perhaps it will help me with my struggles to learn some Afrikaans :wink:


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Great idea RP :clap:
I'm going away to think of some more afrikaans animal names. Will reprt back tomorrow! :wink:

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How about the horses ?

luiperd (lazy horse)
jagluiperd (hunt lazy horse)
kameelperd (camel horse)


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swartwitpens (black white tummy) (sable)


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I am fascinated by the name "IETERMAGOG" - and does anyone know how that originated ?
And it's English name "PANGOLIN" is also much more creative than Scaly Anteater and how did that originate ?


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Hi there

How about this one: Seekoei (sea cow) = Hippopotamus.


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 Post subject: Crazy names
Unread postPosted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 8:22 pm 
mikev wrote:
I am fascinated by the name "IETERMAGOG" - and does anyone know how that originated ?
And it's English name "PANGOLIN" is also much more creative than Scaly Anteater and how did that originate ?


mikev, glad you brought that question up!

This must be one of the strangest coincidences! :shock:

The English name "pangolin" is a derivative of the Malaysian "Peng-go-leng", long before SA times! :shock:

Ironically, Malay slaves were brought to the Cape later, and "Ietermagog" also seems to be a subsequent Malay derivative, although I have no idea what it means! :shock:

So I would give this name and "Swartwitpens" a "thumbs up"! 8)


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Hippopotamus comes from the Greek - Hippo = horse - Potamus = river.

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 Post subject: Sea cow
Unread postPosted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 8:40 pm 
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Hippopotamus comes from the Greek - Hippo = horse - Potamus = river.


Well done, professor! :roll:

Interestingly, the German for Hippo is Seekuh - (Sea Cow)

Remember, the Dutch came prepared for the most well-known species! :twisted:


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RP, I always thought that the word "ietermagog" originated from an African language. This is from Wikipedia.

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Die naam "ietermagog" is waarskynlik afkomstig van Tswana: machocho ("mier") of magogwe ("ratel"). Die woordvorming van "ietermagog", asook die habitat en rol van die dier in die bygelowe van inheemse Suid-Afrikaanse stamme, ondersteun dié herkoms van die woord.


(Translate: The name "ietermagog" was probably derived from Tswana: machocho ("ant") or magogwe ("honey badger"). The word formation, as well as the habitat and role of the animal in the superstitions of indigenous South African tribes support the origin of the word.)

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Any idea where the name Meerkat derives from??

Also there appear to be two types of meerkat - what's the difference??

Anybody know??


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Nagapie - Night monkey (Bush baby) :D


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Billyf asked
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Any idea where the name Meerkat derives from??


According to Meerkat manor, Flower of the Kalahari by Tim Clutton-Brooke: He says one theory is that Meerkat is simply the Afrikaans for Mongoose. The other theory is that the early Dutch settlers used the phrase "meer kat as hond" which was shortened to Meerkat Tha Namaqualand Khoisan call them hcryky
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Also there appear to be two types of meerkat - what's the difference??
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According to the same book there are 3 subspecies of Meerkat.
Suricata suricatta iona, found in south-western Angola, Suricata suricatta majoriae in Western Namibia and Suricata suricatta suricatta found in South Africa. According to this book all meerkats in SA are Suricata suricatta suricatta Although they seem to be darker in colour in the eastern cape region. They apparenetly have the same ancestors as mongoose, but are leggier and are adapted to travel more than true mongoose.

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 Post subject: Ietermagog
Unread postPosted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 6:48 pm 
JenB wrote:

(Translate: The name "ietermagog" was probably derived from Tswana: machocho ("ant") or magogwe ("honey badger"). The word formation, as well as the habitat and role of the animal in the superstitions of indigenous South African tribes support the origin of the word.)


Thanks, Jenb!

On the other hand, I have also searched around and found little other info!

The point is, there are old Dutch references to Ietermagog from the Cape, long before the Afrikaners met any Tswanas... :shock:

Still, point taken! :clap:

This just another insert, regarding animal names..

Die sebra is byvoorbeeld deur die Italianers of Portugese benoem, die cheetah kom van Hindoe wat "die gevlekte een" beteken, terwyl die oribi van die Khoisan-woord vir die spesie afgelei is.

Translation: Zebra is an Italian/Portuguese name.
Cheetah is Hindi (Indian) for "the spotted one".


Oribi (Oorbietjie is Afrikaans - probably a more direct interpretation, as the species is endemic)local Khoisan name.


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