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Unread postby Peter Betts » Fri Jan 11, 2008 9:43 pm

For Loams. I found a much better pic of Bitterbal...he is a very big lion and is the one on the right..Nossob on the left...both dark Black Mane lions which would have been apparent earlier on in life
It was raining so their manes were a bit flattenned at the top...can you see any resemblance of any of these 2 lions with the very fair lion in your pic at Hapoor apart from the same Latin Name...I cant....this is my pet project the Lions of Addo and I plan to publish a book in about 5 yrs from now on them. 2 0f the 9 lions in the game area are very close to me now and in fact there is no doubt in my mind that when I bump into the young lioness Gina and big Nossob that there is some sort of acceptance and recognition
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Unread postby Loams » Sat Jan 12, 2008 9:18 am

My male looks pretty blonde on my 22" flat screen as well. Regardless of that, he must have changed in the two years since I saw him then. Like I said, the night drive guide as well as the HR lady identified them, and it was not at hapoor, it was at domkrag.

I don't discount that the people that live and work in the park every single day might have gotten it wrong, but you and me that only go as tourists have a better chance of getting it wrong.

Now, maybe we can ask a 3rd umpire to settle this debate, because if the Lions in my pic are not who I think they are, I would like to know. My pictures were taken December 2005.

PB, could you tell me who this fellow in the picture is?

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Unread postby Peter Betts » Sat Jan 12, 2008 2:53 pm

Hi Loams this pic was taken in 2005 right?? I saw my first Addo Lion in Jan 2007 and that was Ardlam but its been a steady stream since then....I would say this is a very youthful and unmarked (at that stage) Nossob...hard to call ...it actually looks like Tsama does today but then he was just a real lightie :D
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Unread postby Loams » Mon Jan 14, 2008 9:16 am

Peter Betts wrote:Hi Loams this pic was taken in 2005 right?? I saw my first Addo Lion in Jan 2007 and that was Ardlam but its been a steady stream since then....I would say this is a very youthful and unmarked (at that stage) Nossob...hard to call ...it actually looks like Tsama does today but then he was just a real lightie :D


That's right, the pic was taken in December 2005. Now that Lion was with my blonde male when I took their photo's. If I scratch around, I might find a picture of the two together.

I agree with you, that the guy in my previous photo is Nossob ;-) which would make my blonde male Bitterbal.
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Unread postby GavinW » Mon Jan 14, 2008 1:27 pm

Now I'm confused. Can anyone identify the lion in the pic I posted on page 1 of this thread? :redface:
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Unread postby Loams » Mon Jan 14, 2008 1:45 pm

Gavin, the male in your pic is Nossob. Carol's rest id on the far end of the reserve and in their range. Also, Megan identified your male as Nossob, which means that it is Nossob for sure ;-)
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Unread postby Addo Elephant » Wed Feb 13, 2008 1:02 pm

Since the Addo Lions have attracted so much attention on this forums, we've decided to post our official identification photos of the lions. This will aid those of you who like to identify the particular lions that you may be lucky enough to see on your visit.

I'll also give regular updates of what's happening in the Addo lion world, from information given by our predator researcher, guides and visitors.

The family tree looks like this at the moment:

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Researchers use the whisker spots on the sides of the nose to identify lions. These are the spots (without whiskers) above the line of whiskers. These are fairly difficult to use for identification unless you know what you are looking for, have a good view and/or powerful binoculars/lense.

This is Kamkwa, the oldest female in the Park. She has many scars on her face and her collar's box is whitish:

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This is Gina, Kamkwa's daughter. She has a V-shaped notch at the top of her right ear and a few small whsiker spots on the right side of nose heading up towards the eye:

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Matt and Amla are now in Kuzuko Contractual area in the north of the Park so would only be seen by visitors staying at Kuzuko Lodge.

This is Ardlam. She has a white tip to her tail:
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Ardlam has a male and female cub (as yet unnamed) which are about one year old.
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This Nossob who has 4 whisker spots on the left side of his nose:
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This is Bitterbal, who has a thin scar under his right eye parallel to his nose. It ends in a spot scar:
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This is Tsama. He has a thick scar across the left side of his nose:
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Kalahari has the blondest mane (but you could only see this by comparison) and has 4 small spot scars in a square pattern on the right side of his nose:
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Kalahari was seen mating with Gina (and keeping Tsama away from her) during the first week of February.
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Unread postby lirritma » Wed Feb 13, 2008 1:12 pm

Thanks Megan for this informative insert :clap: . Glad you could use the photo of Adlam's cubs :) I have a few more that I took that day, so let me know if you want to have a look at it. I have one of the male in the road. He has quite a big scar over his rear section of his body.

printing this out and keep it in my camera bag.

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Unread postby Addo Elephant » Wed Feb 13, 2008 2:06 pm

Yes, any clear ID photos of the cubs or other lions are welcome for our records. Apologies about not crediting the cubs picture to you - I knew that someone from the fourm had taken the photo but couldn't remember who!
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Unread postby restio » Wed Feb 13, 2008 2:14 pm

Fascinating, Megan! :dance: Thank you so much. :clap:
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Unread postby lirritma » Wed Feb 13, 2008 2:38 pm

Apology not needed Megan ... Here is the one of the young male

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Unread postby Loams » Thu Feb 14, 2008 11:01 am

Thanks Megan, much appreciated!

Is there by chance a map or graphic that outlines their respective territories?
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Unread postby Addo Elephant » Thu Feb 14, 2008 12:43 pm

Is there by chance a map or graphic that outlines their respective territories?


:hmz: let me do a bit of investigation...
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Unread postby Peter Betts » Sat Feb 16, 2008 2:26 pm

I havent seen Ardlam and her cubs (Now big) for months ...also the junior coalition has been giving me the run around as well. Thanks for the ID Pics posted Megan and thanks to Gerrit's pics its great to see how big Ardlam's cubs have grown. However 1 or 2 of the pics of the males look a bit dated so as I was in the Park this morning I took a few of the 4 lions I regularly see namely Gina and Kamqua and the Senior male coalition. The pics are not great but they are good enough for ID al taken this morning

First up was Gina sitting serenely on the side of the road being the true lady she is. If you look carefully you can just see the notch on her ear
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Then I noticed Kamqua further up the road which made sense as they are always together
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The last time I photographed her she was full of Dung but she was squeaky clean today
Then as it seems to be mating season with the lions at the moment it was no surprise when Bitterbal came out of the bushes and mated with Kamqua. I let them have some privacy as it was right next to me before I took the ID shot of Bitterbal
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Then my favorite Addo Lion walked down the road and posed for his ID shot..good old Nossob the Lion who loves the camera!!
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I was parked with the lion researcher in our respective vehicles but very soon afterwards the game drive vehicles and an overlander truck and a few rental cars arrived so I left soon afterwards. An hour later when I went home 2 of this foursome could just be seen (If you used your imagination) in the bushes around Marion Barrie waterhole... But these are the up to date pics of 4 of the 9 lions in main Addo
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Unread postby Addo Elephant » Mon Feb 18, 2008 10:33 am

However 1 or 2 of the pics of the males look a bit dated

They are not dated pictures, they are recent.
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