Skip to content

SANParks.org Forums

View unanswered posts | View active topics






Post new topic Reply to topic  Page 1 of 2
 [ 27 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2  Next
Author Message
 Post subject: Goshawk, African
Unread postPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 11:28 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Jun 26, 2006 8:05 am
Posts: 47
Location: Pretoria
Hi all..

I got this one as a Juv/Immature African Goshawk...
ImageImage

_________________
"Practice makes perfect, but no one's perfect, so why the hell practice?"


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
Unread postPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 9:33 pm 
Offline
Junior Virtual Ranger
Junior Virtual Ranger
User avatar

Joined: Fri Sep 16, 2005 7:29 am
Posts: 126
Location: 71 km from KNP
Please help with the Id of this raptor.
I have identified it as a Black Sparrowhawk but not sure.
Found it in the riverine thickets on the Timbavati River near Bobbejaanskrans.

Image

_________________
"THE ROAD TO SUCCESS IS ALWAYS UNDER CONSTRUCTION"


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
Unread postPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 10:23 pm 
Offline
Senior Virtual Ranger
Senior Virtual Ranger
User avatar

Joined: Sat Apr 02, 2005 8:29 am
Posts: 957
Location: Stuck in Gauteng
Hi Deville,
The Black Sparrowhawk is quite a big bird. Yours seems bit small to me in comparison.
BS also don't show these facial markings. Unfortunately we can't see the chest and belly markings properly but I'll go with an immature African Goshawk.
Right size, facial markings, they have these bold drop-shaped blotches on the chest and belly with some barring on the flanks. Think we can see some of these markings in your pic.

Let's see what people like TG, Deefstes and the others have to say but immature African Goshawk's got my vote.

Happy birthday by the way :bdaysmile:

[edit]Add Birthday wish[/edit]

_________________
Look deep into nature, and then you will understand everything better.
Albert Einstein

Latest lifers from Kruger NP:
Black Coucal Centropus grillii Swartvleiloerie
Flappet Lark Mirafra rufocinnamomea Laeveldklappertjie


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
Unread postPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 8:00 am 
Offline
Distinguished Virtual Ranger
Distinguished Virtual Ranger
User avatar

Joined: Thu Dec 23, 2004 1:38 pm
Posts: 1989
Hi Delville, hope you don't mind me adjusting your photo a little. Just wanted to bring a little more light to it.

I agree with Johann on the young African Goshawk ID.
Pity it did not turn so that you could get a shot of the markings infront, but birds don't read photography manuals.

Image

_________________
"The measure of life is not its duration but its donation." - Peter Marshall
www.flickr.com/groups/birdssa


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
Unread postPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 2:05 pm 
A “painful, agonizing” thanks to WTM :twisted: ….only joking, I appreciate the help. :D
I have another one that I also need help with…seen in my garden in Maputo.

Image

Closer crop of the head.

Image


Top
   
 
 Post subject:
Unread postPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 2:51 pm 
Offline
Senior Virtual Ranger
Senior Virtual Ranger
User avatar

Joined: Mon Dec 05, 2005 1:43 pm
Posts: 764
Location: Jo'burg
Juvenile African Goshawk. Awesome shots of a fantastic bird!

_________________
"Weaseling out of things is important to learn. It's what separates us from the animals ... except the weasel." -Homer Simpson


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
Unread postPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 3:03 pm 
Offline
Senior Virtual Ranger
Senior Virtual Ranger
User avatar

Joined: Sat Apr 02, 2005 8:29 am
Posts: 957
Location: Stuck in Gauteng
Yip, imm African Goshawk.

Possible confusion with an imm Little Sparrowhawk but they don't show the white eyebrow you can see on your pic.

_________________
Look deep into nature, and then you will understand everything better.
Albert Einstein

Latest lifers from Kruger NP:
Black Coucal Centropus grillii Swartvleiloerie
Flappet Lark Mirafra rufocinnamomea Laeveldklappertjie


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
Unread postPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 3:12 pm 
Offline
Senior Virtual Ranger
Senior Virtual Ranger
User avatar

Joined: Mon Dec 05, 2005 1:43 pm
Posts: 764
Location: Jo'burg
The dark line down the centre of the throat is also a clincher.

_________________
"Weaseling out of things is important to learn. It's what separates us from the animals ... except the weasel." -Homer Simpson


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
Unread postPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 3:41 pm 
Thank you VERY much!! :D
This guy sat in the palm for more that an hour watching the birds that come to eat at the feeders. Initially I did think it was a young Little Sparrowhawk because we have had one in the garden before, but this guy looked bigger and its tail was longer.


Top
   
 
 Post subject:
Unread postPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 3:47 pm 
Offline
Senior Virtual Ranger
Senior Virtual Ranger
User avatar

Joined: Mon Dec 05, 2005 1:43 pm
Posts: 764
Location: Jo'burg
Jumbo wrote:
Thank you VERY much!! :D
This guy sat in the palm for more that an hour watching the birds that come to eat at the feeders. Initially I did think it was a young Little Sparrowhawk because we have had one in the garden before, but this guy looked bigger and its tail was longer.


Indeed, if you are familiar with Little Sparrowhawk, it would take you no more than a fraction of a second to notice that this kêrel is MUCH bigger. There are other accipiters that can be tricky to seperate but these are actually pretty easy. I bet you'd never struggle with him again. :wink:

_________________
"Weaseling out of things is important to learn. It's what separates us from the animals ... except the weasel." -Homer Simpson


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
Unread postPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 10:44 pm 
Offline

Joined: Wed Sep 19, 2007 7:23 pm
Posts: 3
Location: Italy
Hi,this is my first post, please help me to identify this bird.
Image

Image

_________________
Andrea Marzorati


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
Unread postPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 11:06 pm 
Offline
Senior Virtual Ranger
Senior Virtual Ranger
User avatar

Joined: Wed Aug 31, 2005 12:28 am
Posts: 14341
Location: Pretoria, RSA
Beautiful!

Looks like the Little sparrowhawk (Kleinsperwer - Accipiter minullus) to me.

It is the second smallest bird of prey in Southern Africa, only the Pygmy falcon is smaller. Though small in size, it is quite capable to catch birds up to its own size. :wink:

_________________
Imberbe = Combretum imberbe = Leadwood = Hardekool = The spirit of the Wildernis!

Want to know more about the SANParks Honorary Rangers? Visit www.sanparkshr.org


One positive deed is worth more than a thousand critical words.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
Unread postPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 9:31 am 
Offline
Senior Virtual Ranger
Senior Virtual Ranger
User avatar

Joined: Mon Dec 05, 2005 1:43 pm
Posts: 764
Location: Jo'burg
I don't think this is a Little Sparrowhawk at all. In fact, this bird would be on the other side of the size scale, being an African Cuckoo Hawk (female). Awesome bird, awesome shots!!! Where did you take the pictures?

_________________
"Weaseling out of things is important to learn. It's what separates us from the animals ... except the weasel." -Homer Simpson


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
Unread postPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 2:19 pm 
Offline

Joined: Wed Sep 19, 2007 7:23 pm
Posts: 3
Location: Italy
Imberbe wrote:
Beautiful!

Looks like the Little sparrowhawk (Kleinsperwer - Accipiter minullus) to me.

It is the second smallest bird of prey in Southern Africa, only the Pygmy falcon is smaller. Though small in size, it is quite capable to catch birds up to its own size. :wink:

Thanks Imberbe, but the bird was bigger than the little sparrwhawk (about 40cm)
Quote:
deefstes Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 9:31 am Post subject:

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I don't think this is a Little Sparrowhawk at all. In fact, this bird would be on the other side of the size scale, being an African Cuckoo Hawk (female). Awesome bird, awesome shots!!! Where did you take the pictures?


Thank deefstes,
I have taken the pictures in a area with many trees, I don't remember exactly the area, this evening I will see the diary of the trip to answer.
I observed the bird for about 15 minutes and i have not seen any crest, so i don't know if it could be an African Cuckoo Hawk, maybe an African Goshhawk?
Thanks and excuse me for my bad english.

_________________
Andrea Marzorati


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
Unread postPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 2:37 pm 
Offline
Senior Virtual Ranger
Senior Virtual Ranger
User avatar

Joined: Mon Dec 05, 2005 1:43 pm
Posts: 764
Location: Jo'burg
angalia wrote:
I observed the bird for about 15 minutes and i have not seen any crest, so i don't know if it could be an African Cuckoo Hawk, maybe an African Goshhawk?


Of course! That's exactly what it is. Silly mistake, sorry.

_________________
"Weaseling out of things is important to learn. It's what separates us from the animals ... except the weasel." -Homer Simpson


Last edited by deefstes on Fri Oct 19, 2007 2:45 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 27 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2  Next



Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Powered by phpBB © 2000, 2002, 2005, 2007 phpBB Group

Webcams Highlights

Addo Nossob Orpen Satara
Addo Nossob Orpen Satara
Submitted by grannyb at 10:38:56 Submitted by kyknetta at 09:44:24 Submitted by grannyb at 11:04:28 Submitted by Foxy at 06:19:28