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I'm not even sure that you need to see the legs to identify this as a young Bateleur. Even so, you can see that they are white on this photo which is good for Bateleur. Note, only the young Bateleur will have white legs, they turn bright red as the bird gets to its adult plumage.

Other than that, the tail (or lack thereof) and the shape of the bill is, in my opinion, good enough to ID Bateleur.

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We saw this one from the hide at Punda Maria last month. Yes indeedy, a beautiful bird, but filthy habits!
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Hi BT

Where were the pics taken and when?

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I'm no expert on the matter but I'll give you my 2c worth.

The first two pics looks to me to be an immature Bateleur. The tail does look a bit long but I looked at some other Bateleur pics and on most the tail on the adult looked a lot shorter than on the pics of immature birds. The pattern on the wing suggest a Bateleur. I did lighten up your pics a bit and it does seem to show the colouring on the face which we would normally associate with an immature Bateleur.

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Hi BT

Where were the pics taken and when?

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Hi mountainview!

The first two images where taken the 04 of Sep between Mlondozi and Lower Sabi.

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It has taken me a long time to build up the courage to post here but I have to agree with Johann on both of the above. All my books and pictures show immature Bataleur with either legs shorter or tail feathers longer (not sure which) than the adult. Either way the tail extends past the talons in the juvenile.


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Johann wrote:
I'm no expert on the matter but I'll give you my 2c worth.

The first two pics looks to me to be an immature Bateleur. The tail does look a bit long but I looked at some other Bateleur pics and on most the tail on the adult looked a lot shorter than on the pics of immature birds. The pattern on the wing suggest a Bateleur. I did lighten up your pics a bit and it does seem to show the colouring on the face which we would normally associate with an immature Bateleur.

The last pic I'm almost 100% sure is that of a Wahlberg's Eagle. The long and narrow tail is usually a give-away. Got a pic on Robert's that's almost the mirror of yours.


Thanks a lot Johann!

I had marked the two birds you are mentioning here as 'candidates' in my field guide too. We sighted lot's of Bateleur's bot ad. and imm, but in the field guides that I have all images in fligt are shown with legs sticking behind the feather edge. Then it's good too learn that imm. have longer tails then ad. Otherwise Batelur's have a classic wing shape with a very special curve on the back wing edge, not reminding me of any raptors that I've seen so fare in my life.

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It is a documented field mark of immature Bateleur to have a longer tail than the adults and that the feet does not protrude beyond the tail in flight.

Roberts Multimedia wrote:
Immature: Light brown lightly flecked with white; bill black; cere and face pale greenish blue; legs and feet whitish; tail longer than feet in flight; later plumages mainly plain dark brown; progressively more black feathering with age, face becoming orange, then reddish; adult plumage attained at about 7-8 years.


Also, the wing shape is a dead giveaway, as you rightly pointed out BT. Those very rounded trailing edges are unlike the wings of any other raptor.

I also agree with the second bird being Wahlberg's Eagle.

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Welcome and really great pics, BT!

Does seem to be juvbat! (Juvenile Bateleur).

They can be a bit confusing, though!


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Hi bird experts ! Please can you identify these 2 for me ?

Seen at the waterhole 3 km north of Shing

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I am not one of the experts....

Pretty sure though that is a Juvenile Bateleur.

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Help seen on H4-1 just before S21 LS side.
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Putting my money on a juvenile Bateleur.

(grey-green make-up and a short tail, also often seen on the ground)


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Please help...I saw these 2 at Shitlhave Dam in July 2007..are they brown snake eagles or juvenile bataleurs? I can see white legs, but the brown on the wings got me puzzled.

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