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 Post subject: Re: What scorpion is this?
Unread postPosted: Sat Aug 06, 2011 9:46 am 
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Thanks guys. :D

Good thing I did not know at the time because I just casually picked him up by the tail and placed him outside. :big_eyes:


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 Post subject: Re: Scorpoins at night
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Very interesting peep into the world of Scorpions, with photos and hospital helpline for serious stings.


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 Post subject: Re: Scorpoins at night
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You might want to have a look at the page by Madach: http://www.wildlifephotography.nl/scorp ... r-uv-light

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 Post subject: Re: Scorpoins at night
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Amazing photos of scorpions in uv light.
Some of those guys have scary tails, must pack quite a sting! :shock: :evil: :roll:


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 Post subject: Re: Scorpoins at night
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Would it be worth bringing a UV torch to KNP for scorpions in august or are they unlikely to be around then?

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 Post subject: Re: Stings like hell
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Gilbertr14 wrote:
Got bitten in the early 90's on patrol near Thabazimbi.

Medics told me to suck it up... :shock:

Small 3cm black chappie.

Arm was lame for about a week, Felt like someone had been punching and giving me a dead arm.


What bit you Gilbertr14

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 Post subject: Re: Stings like hell
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small black scorpion.

2-3cm


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 Post subject: Re: Stings like hell
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Eish I know the feeling I had one sting me on my back it burned like hell for days!

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 Post subject: Re: Stings like hell
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Shidzidzii wrote:
At the woodpile in our lapa we regularly get a scorpion sting. Venom is acidic and to neutralize the pain we keep a alkaloid (in the form of common petrol aka gasoline) to to apply with a soaked cloth asap. Worthwhile keeping a small bottle in any outdoors medical kit because it realy works.



Thanks didn't know that.

Wonder if bi-carb will work? Or even citro soda always have that in my First aid trunk (yes mommy of three your medic bag grows to epic size, you need to have 2 of everything adult and pediatric )

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 Post subject: Re: Stings like hell
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Gilbertr14 the medics, if we are talking about the same army medics :doh:, without fail gave a person a panado or a grand-pa to cure all ailments and aches even if you were seriously ill and send you off – just like how you put it:

Gilbertr14 wrote:
Medics told me to suck it up...


Thanks for the advice Shidzidzii :thumbs_up:

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 Post subject: Re: Stings like hell
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Netek , bicarb and citrosode are bases , and you need an alkaloid to neutralize scorpion sting. The local doctor recommended petrol because it was common, but I am sure we can look up some more alkaloids.


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 Post subject: Re: Stings like hell
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I know vinegar works for a beesting, wonders if it will work for scorpion sting too?

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 Post subject: Re: Stings like hell
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Location: Scratching around West Africa
The only black scorpion in that part of the country is Parabuthus transvaalicus.
Luckily it was a juvenile.
There are a lot of rumors and misinformation regarding the treatment of scorpion stings.
The following should help put the record straight.

Out of over 130 species of scorpion in southern Africa only 2 have caused deaths.
More people die from chocking on Chicken McNuggets (tm) than scorpion stings.
Guess which one I'm afraid of?

During a sting, the venom is injected into the lymphatic system.
It travels in the lymphatic system and begins to get absorbed into the bloodstream and circulate through the body.
Scorpions can inject varying amounts of venom depending on the situation.
Step on a scorpion and it will inject as much venom as it can (life and death situation for the scorpion). Irritate it by blowing on it and it would inject very little venom (a subtle message to stop blowing on it). Venom is an expensive form of defense that scorpion will not just waste!

So... once the venom is in the lymphatic system you cannot get at it by applying anything from the outside. This includes rubbing petrol, lemons, crushed up Panado, toothpaste, urine, vinegar, Mr Min or (my favorite) Handy Andy.

Most stings are painful but that's about it.
It's estimated that only 5% of stings need medical intervention.
We class the symptoms in the following ways:

Class 1: Localised.(Localised pain)
Class 2: Systemic. (Blurry vision, slurred speech, respiratory distress.)
Class 3: System failure (paralysis, cardiogenic failure, respiratory failures. etc..)

Only infants under the age of 2 (body mass compared to venom injected) and the aged (pre-exisitng health conditions) are at risk of death. However...

The first system experienced is intense pain.
Based upon the intensity of the pain, you can estimate the severity of the symptoms to follow.
I maintain that if you can handle the pain (Class 1), then no need for medical intervention.
If you begin to experience Class 2 symptoms then better be safe and seek professional medical advice (someone who does NOT prescribe petrol or Handy Andy).

Obviously Class 2 symptoms experienced within 5 minutes of being stung is a serious sign as the symptoms should start to intensify.
Symptoms often peak at about 5 hours after being stung.
Many people experience varying degrees of anxiety when stung by a scorpion.
These symptoms should not be confused with the action of the venom and should be treated separately.

Of course not all scorpions are venomous enough to warrant medical intervention.
Stings from mildly venomous scorpions (Opistophthalmus sp.)cause pain lasting for 15 minutes to a couple of hours, pins and needles for a couple of days.
A sting from Hadogenes sp. causes slight pin prick feeling, then itches for 2 minutes

Hope this helps.

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Jonathan Leeming

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 Post subject: Re: Stings like hell
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Thanks Jonathan

Lovely informative post.


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 Post subject: Re: Stings like hell
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Jonathan, a question for you please.
If you apply petrol immediately (before it gets to the lymph glands) would that reduce the pain?
Would it reduce the uptake of the venom ie. Total pain duration?
On the farm in December 2010 after the first really serious rains the scorpions came in droves (amazing to see this sight) to the lit up lapa after the insects.
We put in yellow energy saving bulbs and that helped.
That was when we also heard about the petrol remedy (Boereraat) in case of a sting.
The following night we had a office x-mas party and the lightning hit out the electricity.
One of the ladies decided to put out hurricane lamps on the ground inside the veranda to where we had all moved out of the rain.
I could not believe that so many scorpions could appear that fast attracted by light and the lamps had to go.
In January we were at Fish Eagle House at Letaba were a similar plague of Solfugids aka Sun Spiders or Red Romans were present.
It is near impossible to get a Macro close up photo of one we learned by experience.
Advice I can offer is : wear shoes; have soft lighting away from where you are sitting and learn to braai etc in darker conditions; and don't put your hands without gloves into funny places like a wood pile.
But creepy's are not marauding monsters wanting to injure humans.


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