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 Post subject: Re: Tourist and Elephant clash
Unread postPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 10:05 am 
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People will never admit. "Well we were speeding and came around a corner and saw this elephant on the road. Damn, the brakes are excellent on this car and we stopped a way off. The ele didn't like it and charged, so we switched the engine off."
More like "We were tootling along and saw this ele on the road waaaaay off. Suddenly it charged and so we switched off the engine in peace".

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 Post subject: Re: Tourist and Elephant clash
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Im not worried about the car, what about the poor traumatized elephant? :big_eyes:


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 Post subject: Re: Tourist and Elephant clash
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Seriously though, there are gits who 'play the fool' with elephants and when they are wound up, they drive off. Pity the next car........

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 Post subject: Re: Tourist and Elephant clash
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:hmz: Tend to agree with PeterPM. Or maybe they've mistaken a train for an elephant. Only problem is there is no trains in Kruger, except for the one standing still in Skukuza. I seriously doubt if all that damage was caused by the elephant. That car is a write-of from front to back and from side to side. A bumper and bonnet doesn't fall of from being rolled over once or twice. Either Hyundai makes seriously flimsy cars or there were some speed involved. My car looked like that after a failed hijacking attempt in which I rolled my car about 16 times on the highway. :sniper: So an elephant totally wrecking a car from top to bottom while the car is in no motion and this is the result, I seriously doubt that. Maybe the elephants in Kruger are on steroids these days.... :tongue:


I remember before the Skukuza shop was renovated there were some pictures in the knives and jewelry section of cars damaged by elephants. If you startle a bull in must he will smash a car until he believes it to be dead. The elephants in the north are much more aggressive than the ones in the south.

Must be Mopani leaves or something. :tongue:

If the math proves they were speeding then I really hope SANParks will fine them and give the elephant a reward of some kind. Maybe a mudbath in the next drought.....

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 Post subject: Re: Tourist and Elephant clash
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Yo Dr.Phil! :lol:

According to the tourists the car was already dead... :tongue: Know the ellies up north very well, had quite a few run-ins with them over the years, especially on those small and heavily bushed roads around Kanniedood Dam. Not the place to cross an elephant in a bad mood if he suddenly walk out of the bush right in front of your car with a stream of other cars behind you or worse, the dam in one of those little turn-offs. Had more than once suddenly had a much closer relation with the Lord in such moments. (very sudden prayer meeting) Many, many moons ago we saw a grader that was attacked by an ellie mom, and she literally bended the blade as if it was a piece of foil, and it took the rangers hours to convince the poor driver to get out of a thorn tree he decided would be the best place to be until all elephants got extinct. So yes, I know they can do serious damage, but I don't know, I have difficulty swallowing this one. Maybe I'm wrong, will have to wait like BB said, for the trunk, foot and skit marks to be dissected. It's one of those if you get my drift.... :wink:


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 Post subject: Re: Tourist and Elephant clash
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Dan I see your point I just think the people in the car might not have kept quiet enough :big_eyes: to let the elephant think the car is dead..... They sometimes murder trees out of frustration when the get really mad...

And yes the Kanniedood roads is not the place to get trapped by an elephant on his way to water, or worse a herd with young..... :pray:

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 Post subject: Re: Tourist and Elephant clash
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I have serious doubts about the elephant story. From what I can remember, the cars that were attacked were merely rolled over or has received some serious dents. I have never seen a car being completely demolished, like this one. But, in the absence of other evidence, we have to believe this man.

BTW, the scratch marks on a vehicle hit by an animal is different to those made by solid hard objects. If a vehicle hits solid objects like a road or rock, the scratch marks runs parallel to each other while an animal causes more 'soft' marks because the skin and other body gives way when hitting a vehicle, except elephant tusks.

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 Post subject: Re: Tourist and Elephant clash
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Times, distances involved and as said above, the look of the car, this guy was breaking some rule.
Would not mind placing a bet that speeding was involved, surprised himself when he saw elephant in the road, break marks in the road, rolled the car and invented the story to avoid prosecution.
Lets see if there is any official response from this. I say give us the facts after an investigation, which should have been done by now.

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 Post subject: Re: Tourist and Elephant clash
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Ja ---- to me there are just too many questions :think: I hope the relevant authorities do a full investigation

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 Post subject: Re: Tourist and Elephant clash
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As always, we've alerted SANParks to your concerns but please, until we know the full details don't speculate anymore.

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 Post subject: Re: Tourist and Elephant clash
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Horrific damage to the car. Looks like the ellie must have jumped up and down on it. I know cars are built with crumple zones but ............

After many years of visiting the Kruger I have learnt to be very wary of elephants - particularly those with one tusk, I always imagine the other is embedded in someone's car. The picture in Satara of the ellie attacking the car north of Letaba - that's us in the car in the background. The driver in question just sat still until the ellie banged down on the bonnet at which point he decided it was time to reverse. He escaped with just a dented bonnet and a wet seat.

Avoid getting too close and always ensure you have an exit route for a quick reverse. I hate it when someone stops right up against your rear bumper.


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 Post subject: Re: Tourist and Elephant clash
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I think the Park will investigate but I am sure they will not announce anything until they are sure of their facts. So we will have to wait and see. I do think however that a lot of people
a Speed in the park
b Get too close to elephants
c Thuink its a joke to get up close.

I am sure from what I have read here that these people were most likely speeding but they were hurt and hpefully have learnt not to forget that they are in a Park and not a zoo. The animals are not tame.

I hope it doesnt put people off visitng hte Park and I hope it will teach everyone to treat animals with respect.

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 Post subject: Re: Tourist and Elephant clash
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The following two images are of a vehicle which rolled off the H1-7 just north of Babalala on the late afternoon of Saturday, February 18th, 2012.
No elephant involved as far as I know (but that bottle of Savanna Cider may have something to do with the accident).
Don't ask what that vehicle was doing there at that hour, or where it was going, I do not know.

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This is pretty typical of what a vehicle looks like after it has flipped over several times (I should know, I have dealt with thousands of traffic accidents, so I have some expertise to base an opinion on).

The picture of the of the white Hyundai presents a different picture, so to speak.
Note how the roof has been pushed way in, whilst the door frames on either side remain comparatively intact.
Achieving such damage by simply rolling the car can really only be imagined if the vehicle bounces off something like a very large rock, roof first.
Not many large rocks along the road verges in the Babalala area.
Since the vehicle did not collide with anything on the road (which in any case would not cause the roof to be pushed in unless the car flipped first), elephant damage strikes me as a very plausible explanation.
The tracks in the grass also seem to indicate that the car was pushed backwards off the road, which is consistent with the damage to the roof, which seems to be have inflicted from the front.

What caused the elephant to give the car a once-over is open to speculation, but what is not is the fact that Babalala is 39 or 40 km from Punda Maria.
The only way to get there in half an hour is to drive at an average speed of 80 kph. "Average" means just that, so the driver must have exceeded 80 kph quite regularly for longer than just a minute or two.

Driving at such a speed at that time of day is completely insane, especially because the bush is thick for long stretches along both the H13-1 and the H1-7. (It is also, unfortunately, quite common in the north, but that's another story)

I await the full results of SANParks' investigation with bated breath!

Johan


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 Post subject: Re: Tourist and Elephant clash
Unread postPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 5:25 pm 
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From the posts it seems like ellies have given quite a number of people a skrik !! It seems to be quite common :big_eyes:
It happened to me in May 2012 and I posted it on WHERE DID YOU GO ? ....and ....WHERE ARE YOU GOING? if anyone is interested
Phew !! It was close and when I see the pics of the cars it is terrifying !!! :shock:

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 Post subject: Re: Tourist and Elephant clash
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I am lost here, can anyone direct me to Sanparks response to incident, or is the response coming via pigeon, or wild card department sent response, but now lost :lol: , or a relay of people running down to Kruger and back to find out what happened.

No speculation but as per the norm, it takes a long time to get answers to questions.

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