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 Post subject: Lion bone trade
Unread postPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 11:24 am 
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Is there in the national parks currently any concern about lion numbers? I understand that the demand (used in eastern medicine) for lion bone is now picking up due to tiger bones being unobtainable. Is there an increase in lion being poached in the national parks? I only ever read about concern for rhino or elephants. Are our lions not headed for a similar fate?


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 Post subject: Re: Lion bone trade
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MeMufasa what an ongoing onslaught on animals to satisfy selfish human needs. Lions are already vulnerable and insatiable human greed and other human deeds - which highlight and emphasise how cowardly some humans can be - do not make it easy for lions and other animals to live in peace on this planet.

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 Post subject: Re: Lion bone trade
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What do they do with the lion bone? :|

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 Post subject: Re: Lion bone trade
Unread postPosted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 9:18 am 
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They use it in their potions... same as rhino horn.

From http://www.animalsasia.org :

"As wild-tiger populations dwindle, poachers are now turning to lions to feed the insatiable Chinese appetite for potions made from big-cat bones. The lion is genetically similar to the tiger and therefore lion bone can be promoted as having similar healing properties. The most infamous tiger-breeding farm in China, Xiongsen Tiger & Bear Mountain Village in Guilin has bred many hundreds of lions as well as tigers with tiger-bone wine openly on sale at the park."


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Hey MeMufasa;

I am currently asking around and hoping to get an answer for you before the end of the week.

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 Post subject: Re: Lion bone trade
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Hi again MeMufasa;

The measures that are being put in place in the Kruger National Park to protect the rhino, are also meant for all the other species. The animals roam freely throughout the park which makes it impossible to only concentrate on particular species to the exclusion of others.
We do not have reports on poached lions at present , our latest census indicates that we have healthy numbers of lions in the park.

Hope this was able to answer your question. :thumbs_up:

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 Post subject: Re: Lion bone trade
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Honestly Im beginning to wish millions of tsunami's onto the Chinese people Really how many more of Africa poor animals have to die for their rubbish medicines! Grrrr!

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:hmz: I am not sure that 'the Chinese people' deserve that.

But what might be useful, and maybe off topic, is for some cognoscenti to give us FACTS of where the end users of these poached wildlife products are and let's target those nations.

I worked here, different circumstances granted, but it worked.

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Thank you Lesego. Are the latest census figures those in the annual report of 2011-012 or are there any more recent data? If I understand correctly the 2011-2012 report uses estimates from 2008.


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Hi all,

I left an article on the killing of tigers for their bones on this website under POACHING dated 15th July 2012.

The warning is that lions are already being poached for their bones and in West Africa they have been wiped out.

The countries in West Africa receive no visitors or income for heir parks because there are hardly any animals left.

This should be on the poaching thread.

Lesago, poachers can load the body of a big cat into a vehicle so there will be no remains left to alert Sanparks.


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Hi all,

I left an article on the killing of tigers for their bones on this website under POACHING dated 15th July 2012.

The warning is that lions are already being poached for their bones and in West Africa they have been wiped out.

The countries in West Africa receive no visitors or income for heir parks because there are hardly any animals left.

This should be on the poaching thread.

Lesago, poachers can load the body of a big cat into a vehicle so there will be no remains left to alert Sanparks.


All vehicles should be checked when leaving the park.

We were checked at Orpen gate last year, but not at the other gates. All the gates must implement the same security. :hmz:

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Honestly Im beginning to wish millions of tsunami's onto the Chinese people Really how many more of Africa poor animals have to die for their rubbish medicines! Grrrr!
:shock: don't put all in the same pot :?
tsunamis punish poor people... 400 000 poor people... for one of the last one :cry:
and never, never wish tsunamis or other maledictions to people... can arrives to us :shock:

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 Post subject: Re: Lion bone trade
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BB - Traffic, WWF and many other NGOs working in wildlife trafficking report that the greatest end users are Chinese and Vietnamese people who have money to spend on products that either confer status with ownership or with some mythical medicinal value.

However, these are by no means the only countries involved. Thailand has an appalling record as a general clearing house for wildlife trafficking if not for end use.

You want to do something to register your concern? Don't buy anything produced in China and send your concerns (and outline the 'financial sanctions' you have implemented) to the Chinese Embassy or Chinese Authorities.

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What if we just wish that the parts they use the lion bone for rot and fall off? :wiz:

Then the poor and the innocent will be okay...and the lions will be safe

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JeanniR wrote:
What if we just wish that the parts they use the lion bone for rot and fall off? :wiz:

Then the poor and the innocent will be okay...and the lions will be safe


DEAL ;)

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