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Batis or not?

Unread postby jacquiandphil » Wed Feb 27, 2013 11:28 am

I've looked in my old book- Sinclair 1988
Looked at photos on the forum
and have decided my photo is of Pririt Batis??? They were a pair, I assume male and female, slightly different from one another. Photo taken at Lower Sabi from one of the fantastic river front tents.
The problem I have is according to my book this bird is not found here.
Is it what I think?
thanks for any help...
Having problems attaching photo
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Re: Batis or not?

Unread postby lion queen » Wed Feb 27, 2013 11:38 am

Hi Jacquiandphil,

Please have a look here on Posting a photo

If you still have some questions, please ask one of us will help you.
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Re: Batis or not?

Unread postby jacquiandphil » Wed Feb 27, 2013 12:13 pm

Thanks... but sorry for this
I was unable to register on photobucket so gone with Flickr... followed your instructions but

I've got my photo on Flickr how do I get it from there to here. Really sorry if this is obvious, I dont know what TR is
Once again thank you
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24/07 outside park
25-27 Nossob
27-29 Kieliekrankie
29-01/08 Mata Mata
01-03 Kalahari Tent
03-07 Twee Rivieren
07-09 just west of Upington

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Re: Batis or not?

Unread postby wildtuinman » Wed Feb 27, 2013 12:13 pm

Hi Jacquie,

as you already concluded: Pririt Batis does not occur in Kruger. Cape Batis do occur in Kruger in Winter, but is very scarce and only in certain localities such as Pretoriuskop and along the Sabie river which they would use as a channel to move through.

The common Batis in Kruger is Chinspot.

Compare you photos here with mine and see what you think:

Chinspot
http://www.laine-dirk.co.za/photos/701/701.html

Cape
http://www.laine-dirk.co.za/photos/700/700.html

Pririt
http://www.laine-dirk.co.za/photos/703/703.html
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Re: Batis or not?

Unread postby jacquiandphil » Wed Feb 27, 2013 12:37 pm

Thanks wildtuinman
I think it is Chinspot, I'd already found your photo of Pririt... to me they look the same!!!! that was why I thought Pririt to start with.
In my book the colour for chinspot was a rusty colour on chest
I am still trying to get my photo here, perhaps if I manage you will be able to confirm
Once again thanks for the help
Jacqui and Phil
July 2015:
24/07 outside park
25-27 Nossob
27-29 Kieliekrankie
29-01/08 Mata Mata
01-03 Kalahari Tent
03-07 Twee Rivieren
07-09 just west of Upington

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Re: Batis or not?

Unread postby saraf » Wed Feb 27, 2013 12:40 pm

jacquiandphil wrote:Thanks... but sorry for this
I was unable to register on photobucket so gone with Flickr... followed your instructions but

I've got my photo on Flickr how do I get it from there to here. Really sorry if this is obvious, I dont know what TR is
Once again thank you
jacquie


A TR is a Trip Report that are written by forumites, reporting back on their trips to various SANParks. Although I wrote those instructions to help with Trip Reports, they can be used anywhere on the forum. The bit you need is:

4. To share your photo:
* Click on the photo to open it.
* Click on the button labelled Share.
* Click the line "Grab the HTML/BBCode"
* Select Medium 640 and the BBCode option

The code you need is displayed in the box. Clicking in it will highlight the code so copy it then paste it into your post.


I've just changed the "TR" to "post".

Please let me know if I can help further.
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Re: Batis or not?

Unread postby jacquiandphil » Wed Feb 27, 2013 12:43 pm

Image
P1010642 by jacquiandphil, on Flickr
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25-27 Nossob
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29-01/08 Mata Mata
01-03 Kalahari Tent
03-07 Twee Rivieren
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Re: Batis or not?

Unread postby wildtuinman » Wed Feb 27, 2013 12:45 pm

jacquiandphil wrote:Thanks wildtuinman
I think it is Chinspot, I'd already found your photo of Pririt... to me they look the same!!!! that was why I thought Pririt to start with.
In my book the colour for chinspot was a rusty colour on chest
I am still trying to get my photo here, perhaps if I manage you will be able to confirm
Once again thanks for the help



There can be great confusion between the male Pririt and male Chinspot. The main difference to look for is the flanks of the males. Pririt has grey speckles on the flanks where Chinspot has none.

The females of the species are unmistakable.
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Re: Batis or not?

Unread postby jacquiandphil » Wed Feb 27, 2013 12:50 pm

Wow thanks for uploading help, I've just put the photo there.
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July 2015:
24/07 outside park
25-27 Nossob
27-29 Kieliekrankie
29-01/08 Mata Mata
01-03 Kalahari Tent
03-07 Twee Rivieren
07-09 just west of Upington

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Re: Batis or not?

Unread postby lion queen » Wed Feb 27, 2013 12:51 pm

jacquiandphil wrote:Image
P1010642 by jacquiandphil, on Flickr


Glad you succeeded!!! And what a stunning photo!!!....... :clap: :clap: :clap:

WTM is the one who will be the best to help out on which bird this is...... :thumbs_up:
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Re: Batis or not?

Unread postby wildtuinman » Wed Feb 27, 2013 12:52 pm

You have a very interesting bird here, Jacquie!

I also found two incidental records for Pririt Batis in Kruger.

http://sabap2.adu.org.za/spp_summary.php?Spp=674

Are the flanks speckled? I think your bird needs further investigation.
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Re: Batis or not?

Unread postby wildtuinman » Wed Feb 27, 2013 12:57 pm

I don't think that the flanks are speckled as it should be in Pririt Batis.

If you look at my photos of the male Chinspot you will also notice some grey marks under the wing which I think is more present in your bird than grey speckles on the flanks.

I'd go with male Chinspot Batis.
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Re: Batis or not?

Unread postby jacquiandphil » Wed Feb 27, 2013 1:17 pm

Thanks lion queen and wildtuinman
Yes this one shows just grey and not speckled, now to see if I can remember :
Image
P1010647 by jacquiandphil, on Flickr

Thanks for your help
I may now annoy people on the forum by checking on the other Kruger birds we're not sure about
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24/07 outside park
25-27 Nossob
27-29 Kieliekrankie
29-01/08 Mata Mata
01-03 Kalahari Tent
03-07 Twee Rivieren
07-09 just west of Upington

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Re: Batis or not?

Unread postby wildtuinman » Wed Feb 27, 2013 1:29 pm

It is a pleasure, Jacquie.

I don't think you will annoy anyone on the forum with your queries.

Just make sure that you ask them in the suitable existing topics provided.

Raptors:

viewtopic.php?f=46&t=13137

LBJ's

viewtopic.php?f=46&t=13138

General birds

viewtopic.php?f=46&t=42903

Looking forward to see more of your nice photos and to assist in id's. :thumbs_up:
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