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 Post subject: Re: Poaching
Unread postPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 7:53 am 
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Point of the fact is that these allegations are without a source and extremely vague.

The entire discussion is based on something the GMLSmit said with absolutely no basis. If the accusation had any truth in it then I would suspect that people who are really worried about poaching would be able to substantiate this.

Currently it is nothing but a rumor someone started somewhere.

At least give us the source of the quote???

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 Post subject: Re: Poaching
Unread postPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 8:05 am 
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What is upsetting to me is that a few pages ago we had unsubstantiated allegations, now more and from sources not wanting to be named or not wanting to get involved.

No person should morally have the option to sit on possible information and not take it further. Call the crime investigations unit, or the poaching hotline. Our law provides for informants to remain anonymous, have the allegations properly investigated.

Extinction is terminal, it's time to get off the fence!


The people may or may not have called anonymously, we do not know that.

People fear for their lives and can be killed only on a suspicion. Death to you or loved ones is also terminal.


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 Post subject: Re: Poaching
Unread postPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 8:15 am 
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The people may or may not have called anonymously, we do not know that.

People fear for their lives and can be killed only on a suspicion. Death to you or loved ones is also terminal.


I do tend to agree with Sharifa on this one, the rhino horn trade is rated up there with Armsrunning and Drugtrade. And having the utmost respect for GMLS, I do think he will return with subtantiation or not. But, I will refrain from posting any of my thoughts until further info is forthcoming. 8)

It will be sad if it is proved to be true indeed, but I am sure the authorities have taken notice, if it is the case. :thumbs_up:


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 Post subject: Re: Poaching
Unread postPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 8:22 am 
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The trouble is, that very few of these 'allegations' turn out to be 'cock and bull' stories.

When a person of integrity, like gmlsmit, raises issues, they should be taken seriously rather that steps to kill the messenger.

I and others have repeatedly stated that there are a few bad eggs that are compromising the great work done by the rest of SANP staff.

Root them out withour fear, favour or mercy.

Then the allegations will stop.

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 Post subject: Re: Poaching
Unread postPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 9:06 am 
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Did anyone read the rapport yesterday where they want to legalize rhino poaching??

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 Post subject: Re: Poaching
Unread postPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 9:09 am 
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Say what?

Or do you mean they want to legalise the sale of rhino horn?

To which report are you referring?

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 Post subject: Re: Poaching
Unread postPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 9:16 am 
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threedogs wrote:
Say what?

Or do you mean they want to legalise the sale of rhino horn?

To which report are you referring?


currently they are weighing up options to fight them or legalize it that the government makes money off of it! They say statistically that if we want to beat them we must join them otherwise we will lose the fight and their will be no more rhino left to protect, it looks as if they want to control the market instead of it running riot but here's my theory if the allow it poachers will still be around so then not only will we be losing them to poachers but to the government aswell making it double the amount lost at once then were sure to have no more rhino left if you ask me! SICKO's!

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 Post subject: Re: Poaching
Unread postPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 11:37 am 
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Media Release: One suspected poacher fatally wounded and two arrested in KNP

In a joint anti-poaching operation by the Kruger National Park Task Force Rangers and the South African Police Services on Saturday, 26 January 2013, contact was made with suspected rhino poachers.

In the ensuing shoot out, one suspect was fatally wounded and two arrested in the Nwanetsi section of the park. This is according to Reynold Thakhuli, SANParks spokesperson who said a high calibre hunting rifle fitted with a silencer, ammunition and poaching equipment were recovered. Investigations are continuing.

According to Thakhuli initial investigations indicate that there were no poached animals in the area. “Therefore media reports stating that two rhino have been poached cannot be verified as further investigations are underway.”

He said according to SANParks rangers the rhino that was thought to have been shot and sustained an injury on the leg was actually involved in a fight with another rhino. “This was verified by a veterinary service officer who attended to the animal.”

“A further aerial survey of the area was done this morning and the rhino in question was observed roaming freely in the bush.”

SANParks would like to request the public to assist the police and SANParks with any information which may lead to the arrest of more would be poachers. Anonymous SMS Tip-offs can be send to 32211.

Issued by:

South African National Parks (SANParks)

Media enquiries:

Reynold “Rey” Thakhuli
GM: Media Liaison & Stakeholder Relations
SANParks
Tel: 012 426 5203; Cell: 0733734999
email: rey.thakhuli@sanparks.org
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Ike Phaahla
Media Specialist
SANParks,
Tel: 012 426 5315; Cell: 083 673 6974
email: isaac.phaahla@sanparks.org

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 Post subject: Re: Poaching
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Good news. Thanks Les & Rey :clap:

The only negative is the ratio of shot vs arrested.

We the taxpayers will have to fork out more financing those who are doing the crime.

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 Post subject: Re: Poaching
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Is this the truth:

Update #29 Ask CITES to bring a SUSPENSION OF TRADE against South Africa and Swaziland for the White Rhinoceros.
Posted by Margot Stewart (action creator)

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Once again the Kruger National Park in South Africa has experienced extreme rainfall and flooding. You can read about it here:

http://links.causes.com/s/clIxLs?r=ZA1p

However, it has come to my attention through a Forum discussion on recent staff rescues that the following has come to light:

"During the excellent work done by various agencies in evacuating both tourists and staff from various camps or compounds during the recent floods in Kruger National Park, some shocking discoveries were made.

Illegal tenants inhabiting certain staff accommodations, including Mozambiquan nationals.

Rhino horn and related poaching equipment.

Other forms of contraband.


Kruger has refused to comment on the matter, stating that as rhino poaching is involved, all queries will be handled by the Department of Environmental Affairs.

Police queried gave the same answer.

My question is this: Why should the presence of illegal aliens in a Parastatal housing complex have to be addressed by the DEA?"

IN THE PAST CONCERNS ABOUT THIS HAVE BEEN EXPRESSED TO THE DEPT. OF ENVIRONMENT AND SANPARKS MANAGEMENT. WHY HAS THIS NEVER BEEN ADDRESSED? WHY DOES IT TAKE NATURE IN THE FORM OF FLOODS TO REVEAL THIS CORRUPTION AND CRONYISM?


Open Letter to OSCAP from the SANParks Head of Communications

SANParks have noted with concern the recent irresponsible pronouncements made in the social media platforms by Allison Thompson of Outraged South African Citizens Against Poaching (OSCAP), an anti-poaching lobby group, concerning allegations of poaching equipment having been found in staff quarters during the recent flood evacuations. Thompson alleges that some “sources” further alleged that there were shocking discoveries of illegal tenants in the park which included some Mozambicans being housed in the staff accommodation in the Kruger National Park.

First of all it is important to unmask these supposed “sources”, which from the information we have, seem to be some uninformed mischievous individuals whom a person of Thompson’s responsibility should be discerning enough not to rely on. There are official and informed sources that she could have used to verify this information. Also to claim that anyone was contacted at SANParks and refused to comment is an out and out blue lie. We invite Thompson to publicly produce tangible evidence to support this claim by no later than end of business today.

For one thing, no illegal tenants were found in Shingwedzi during the evacuations and SANParks has a list of all people that were rescued. Further, it would be of benefit to Thompson to acquaint herself with operations in the park before making scurrilous statements, because families that live in the park cannot be labeled as illegal tenants, or even their relatives who reside with them. We would like to invite Thompson to produce a list of these so called illegal tenants or inform the law enforcement agencies before making a song and dance in social media.

Further we would like to refute the dangerous and irresponsible lie made by Thompson in the same announcement which alleges that poaching equipment was found in staff quarters. Once again we invite Thompson to produce evidence to this effect to the police.

We know that many people have jumped on the rhino bandwagon for various reasons but we hope that they have at least done so for a genuine desire to find a solution to save our rhinos and not for petty political agendas or scandalous intentions. However, it has come to our attention that the intentions of Thompson or OSCAP are anything but pure and are just nothing more than posturing ahead of the CITES COP 16, and that these views are sponsored by certain NGOs, known to SANParks, with an agenda towards COP16.

It should also be noted that this tendency to use the name of Major General Johan Jooste (retired) in a smear campaign against SANParks is seriously uninformed and in poor taste. SANParks has brought in Maj. Gen. Jooste (ret) to be the Commanding Officer for the ranger corpse in our fight against poaching, not as a mascot for irresponsible and uninformed anti-government activists. Further it should be noted that the responsibility of evacuating people during this difficult time was not and has never been the responsibility of Maj. Gen. Jooste or the rangers.

The last thing we need is OSCAP starting ill-informed campaigns that will distract SANParks from attending to the multiple and complex tasks at hand. If Thompson wants to genuinely contribute to the fight against rhino poaching she should take up real and true campaigns against rhino poaching.

Our employees are traumatized enough at the moment, having lost all their possessions in the floods and possibly lost their lives, without having to deal with such disgusting lies from people in an organization that masquerades as an organization which is concerned about our parks.

We are truly disappointed in OSCAP.

Issued by:
wanda mkutshulwa,
Head of Communications
South African National Parks (SANParks)

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 Post subject: Re: Poaching
Unread postPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 3:35 pm 
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Where there is smoke there is a 10 to 1 a fire :evil: , why attack this repporter :naughty: , go and investigate these alligations and give prove that there is no such happenings in the staff villages :roll: , there was a incedent a while back when a AW member escorted a taxi out of the park at Phalaborwa gate :naughty: , these guys told the gate personel they were visiting relatives in the village but was caught dringking at Sable hide..... lets you think :hmz: :hmz: ....... Better access controle for the staff villages will be a very good start :thumbs_up:

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Unread postPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 3:55 pm 
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Harrys,

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We invite Thompson to publicly produce tangible evidence to support this claim by no later than end of business today.


I am also sure SANParks will not condone members of the public 'escorting' people out of the park. Its not the role of the public visiting the park. There are emergency numbers one can call and other means to report incidences in the park; and let the properly qualified people do that. :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: Poaching
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It is sad that there is a specific forum on the internet which specialises in spreading rumours which they refuse to substantiate with any facts, always under the guise of "confidential informants."

It is the second time this year alone they have made accusations in their cosy and closed corner of the world. This with the full knowledge that their members will come and state that there is credible evidence of serious wrongdoing, while all the time it is merely an unsubstantiated accusation.

It is becoming more than bad taste and rumourmongering. It is becoming a serious and sustained effort to undermine the credibility of people and organisations involved in nature conservation who are making a real difference.

I am now supporting the call for OSCAP to either substantiate or retract their statements.

I am also asking that, should they fail to do so, the members of the public start to realise what these people are up to and what to expect of them. Supporting their endeavours by spreading OSCAP's rumours is a serious action. Is this really what you want to be associated with?

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Unread postPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 4:06 pm 
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I am now supporting the call for OSCAP to either substantiate or retract their statements.

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Unread postPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 4:15 pm 
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Harrys,

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We invite Thompson to publicly produce tangible evidence to support this claim by no later than end of business today.


I am also sure SANParks will not condone members of the public 'escorting' people out of the park. Its not the role of the public visiting the park. There are emergency numbers one can call and other means to report incidences in the park; and let the properly qualified people do that. :wink:


viewtopic.php?style=2&f=73&t=63271

believe this is the incident Harry is talking about, unfortunately the qualified people let them in. The story is slightly different to what is here in that a member of public got them to go back to gate and not the guards noticed they didn't go where they said they would, how would the guards know. I Notice we are still awaiting further correspondence from Lesego on the outcome.

Seeing as it has happened previously that Sanparks has no control over who is coming or going, I shall reserve judgement as no feedback was brought forward to say this problem was resolved with the employees and would never happen again.


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