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 Post subject: My opinion of Mapungubwe
Unread postPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 1:23 pm 
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So we spent 3 nights camping at Mazhou last week, my 2nd trip there in 18 months. All in all I reallly enjoyed my time there, however, as the park stands at the moment it will be a while before I return. The campsite is lovely, very spacious, clean and although full, wasn't crowded or noisy while we were there.
But what did spoil the time there for me was seeing the state of the perimeter fencing along the River Drive..... I'm not too sure what the point of it is, or how often the SanParks staff maintain it, but in some sections the fencing is 3 deep, and other's there's a single barbed wire fence with a few gaps along the way where the ellies have flattened it, I assume to get to the river. What concerned me most of all was seeing a male Impala stuck between two rows of fencing and as we came along he panicked, and ran straight into a pile of barbed wire fence lying on the ground. Fortunately he managed to free himself within about 30 seconds, but he was clearly terrified.
Surely this stretch of fencing can be fixed up and maintained regularly, and if not, why not take the whole lot down as it's ugly, pointless as it stands at the moment and dangerous to the wildlife. And from what we could see, the electrified section wasn't turned on.
I know this has been discussed on this forum before, but I had to highlight what I saw as I really think something needs to be done about it.
Other than that, the western side of the park, although very dry, provided us with good ellie sightings, the hide near the campsite was never full and the waterhole had plenty of water in it.
Hopefully if I return in a few years time, the fencing problems will have been sorted out


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 Post subject: Re: My opinion of Mapungubwe
Unread postPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 10:56 pm 
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Hi AlisonR,
Welcome to the Forum. :) It's nice to see another person that has seen (and wrote about) various problems with the state of Mapungubwe. For that matter, the other National Parks as well. If enough people voice their concern, things will improve. :thumbs_up:


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 Post subject: Re: My opinion of Mapungubwe
Unread postPosted: Wed May 02, 2012 2:11 pm 
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I find the various opinions of Mapungubwe very interesting. I suppose it depends on personal preferences.

Negatives:
i) Mazhou campsite was overbooked with only 2 toilets and 2 showers.
ii) Vervet monkeys are impossible in the campsite and have to be watched 24/7. Man creator of his own problem. SANParks can obviously not be held responsible when the public feeds the monkeys despite the warnings on the gates.
iii) The remaining fencelines are unsightful and pose a danger to the wildlife. During a 4 day period we witnessed 2 Impala getting stuck in the fence. Reading through the forum there are several such accounts. According to information the fences are a problem with at least 7 antelope getting stuck in the fence and some die a horrific death.
iv) Fruit flies at the restuarant makes it almost impossible to eat and drink in peace.
v) Booking in at maingate and then having to drive back 18-22km towards Pontdrift for the campsite. A satellite office would be a nice to have.

Positives:
i) Beautiful campsite and can compete with Tsendze and Maroela but occupation must be strictly controlled.
ii) Housekeeping done by DAN is excellent. Toilets, showers, braaistands etc. are kept kleen and neat.
iii) The hamburgers at the restuarant are excellent value for money.
iv) The gravel roads are coorugated but really not that bad.
v) The tree top walk despite the fact that we only saw cattle.


Mapungubwe has all the potential to be one of our best and most beautiful parks. The current drought is sad and knowing that SANParks have a policy of not interfering with nature I do not believe that extra food or blocks will be put out. Park personnel are aware of the fence problem but do not remove it themselves and it does not seem that SANParks have the funds to have the rest of the fence removed. We can however assist if permitted to do so by organising a group of volunteers who will remove thefence during a week-end or so. Only a safe place away from the elephants are needed to camp.


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 Post subject: Re: My opinion of Mapungubwe
Unread postPosted: Wed May 02, 2012 3:01 pm 
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Mapungubwe Hill - I remember climbing the rocks with a rope during 2004 to get to the top where nomad tribes stayed. I remember the feeling one had when standing there and seeing remains/ruins etc. - it felt like the ancestors were still there. Now they have built a super-deluxe museum where it feels that they are trying to hard to convince you of the land claims and nomadic tribes. There is none of the magic left, none of the mystery - only a modern museum filled with artefacts and beads that look like they were bought at Craftersmarket last month. I was lucky enough to be standing on that hill a couple of years ago and to 'feel' the tribes, to see ruins of their huts and will treasure that. I felt robbed of a very specia experience when I returned for a 2nd time.

I was there a few months ago and climbed the hill and loved the experience as you describe Buffalofreak. I saw no museum near by other than the new (at that time still to open) Interpretive Centre near the entrance of the park :?

You have to book to go with a guide up the hill.

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 Post subject: Re: My opinion of Mapungubwe
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Hello Buffalofreak,

Thank you for the positive feedback :thumbs_up:

I will apreciate it if you can help with the following:

Did you fill in a feedback form about complaints for the restuarant.

Do you have any evidence for the following:

a. the contractor was not paid when money dried up and he left the job unfinished resulting in the barbed and old cattle fences posing a threat to the wildlife. I was informed that they take at least 7 animals from the fences per month, animals that tried to cross the fences and got themselves stuck in the wires.

b. To sit by and watch 7 buck dying a horrific death every month and do nothing about it because it is not your job - you should not be an employee of SANParks. Maybe they should stop giving family and or friends game drives in their luxury Chevrolet SUV's and start conserving and protecting nature.

Thanks.

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 Post subject: Re: My opinion of Mapungubwe
Unread postPosted: Wed May 02, 2012 4:22 pm 
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Restuarant:
Negatives - Imagine sitting down for a cold drink and something to eat on a very warm, dry day but not being able to drink or eat due to the fruit flies in your face, your food, your cold beer. You send back half of your cold Amstel or Castle because at least 6 fruit flies have found their way into the bottle. The attitude of the waietrs were that you should go sit downstairs in the warm, crowded area or you can sit on the 2nd floor and deal with the fruit flies. They don't have anything to deal with the siutation. When you ask the waietr for a citronella candle or anything, he promises you to see what he can bring and you don't see him ever again. Until he wants his tip.

Positives - the hamburgers are excellent value for money.


I was in Mapungubwe in March but did not see a restaurant, I did not know they even had one :sup: , I took a tour through the new interpretation centre and though it was great considering the fact that they have not even opened it officially.

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 Post subject: Re: My opinion of Mapungubwe
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BrendaK, you can read more here.

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 Post subject: Re: My opinion of Mapungubwe
Unread postPosted: Thu May 10, 2012 9:37 am 
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Duke Ellieton wrote:
Hello Buffalofreak,

I will apreciate it if you can help with the following:

Did you fill in a feedback form about complaints for the restuarant. No, we spoke to two waiters and asked for help with regards to the fruit flies with no success. We were not aware of the feedback form. Will use the SANParks guest feedback form.

Do you have any evidence for the following:

a. the contractor was not paid when money dried up and he left the job unfinished resulting in the barbed and old cattle fences posing a threat to the wildlife. I was informed that they take at least 7 animals from the fences per month, animals that tried to cross the fences and got themselves stuck in the wires.

Unfortunately you misquoted me. I spesifically said "According to information".

My evidence for the statement with regards to animals getting stuck in the fence is eye witness accounts and various posts in this regard on this forum.

To sit by and watch 7 buck dying a horrific death every month and do nothing about it because it is not your job - you should not be an employee of SANParks. Maybe they should stop giving family and or friends game drives in their luxury Chevrolet SUV's and start conserving and protecting nature.

Only evidence available are;
- having witnessed this employee driving along River Drive with 3 passengers,
- a statement made by an employee and
- the many complaints about the fence on this forum.

One can only make the logic conclusion that the fence is a problem and that personnel are aware of it.

Please provide me with evidence stating that it is not the duty of employees to act on a problem posing a danger to wildlife instead of asking me to proof that it is their job. Fact of the matter is that the fence is a problem, that we can help and will do so voluntarily. We just need permission from SANParks or from Mapungubwe management. If money is indeed a problem, please consider our offer. That is the bottom line of my post. Mapungubwe is special, is under threat from mining and instead of complaining about the wrongs, we would like to assit by putting it right. At our own cost and time.

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 Post subject: Re: My opinion of Mapungubwe
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Hi Buffalocreak.

Thank you for editing your original post and removing the hearsay information from it :thumbs_up: It is difficult now to have the discussion about:

1. the contractor was not paid when money dried up and he left the job unfinished.

2. Maybe they should stop giving family and or friends game drives in their luxury Chevrolet SUV's and start conserving and protecting nature.

Are you saying Staff members are not entitled to drive through tha park with passengers who may or may not be family members.

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 Post subject: Re: My opinion of Mapungubwe
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Duke Ellieton wrote:
Hi Buffalocreak.

Thank you for editing your original post and removing the hearsay information from it :thumbs_up: It is difficult now to have the discussion about:

1. the contractor was not paid when money dried up and he left the job unfinished.

2. Maybe they should stop giving family and or friends game drives in their luxury Chevrolet SUV's and start conserving and protecting nature.

Are you saying Staff members are not entitled to drive through tha park with passengers who may or may not be family members.
Yes I edited because important portions was misquoted. I think you are driving in circles my friend and in no haste to get anywhere. But thanks anyway, I will rather take it up with the appropriate authorities.


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 Post subject: Re: My opinion of Mapungubwe
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Buffalofreak wrote:
Duke Ellieton wrote:
Hi Buffalocreak.

Thank you for editing your original post and removing the hearsay information from it :thumbs_up: It is difficult now to have the discussion about:

1. the contractor was not paid when money dried up and he left the job unfinished.

2. Maybe they should stop giving family and or friends game drives in their luxury Chevrolet SUV's and start conserving and protecting nature.

Are you saying Staff members are not entitled to drive through tha park with passengers who may or may not be family members.
Yes I edited because important portions was misquoted. I think you are driving in circles my friend and in no haste to get anywhere. But thanks anyway, I will rather take it up with the appropriate authorities.



I have had the privilege to address my concerns with regards to the fence, animals and hear-say information directly with Mapungubwe management and to offer help and assistance as was originally the only intention. They fence issue can be solved and there are people working hard at it. However it is the terrible drought that man and animal face this winter that they need our prayers for.
Participating in this forum topic has shown me that no matter how good your intentions, the less said the better, there will always be someone who will misinterpret your intentions.


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 Post subject: Re: My opinion of Mapungubwe
Unread postPosted: Tue May 15, 2012 4:24 pm 
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Park personnel are aware of the fence problem but do not remove it themselves and it does not seem that SANParks have the funds to have the rest of the fence removed. We can however assist if permitted to do so by organising a group of volunteers who will remove thefence during a week-end or so. Only a safe place away from the elephants are needed to camp.



Would be willing to assist on any working weekend - please advise alternatively I could possibly get something on the go from this side, we would just need to communicate :thumbs_up:

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 Post subject: Re: My opinion of Mapungubwe
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You go guys.
We've been there. Done that.
Maybe you've worn them down. Go for it.

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 Post subject: Re: My opinion of Mapungubwe
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having said that:

Please keep in mind that the "ugly" big fence keeps the elephants out of the tomato fields. FromZZ2. If you take a drive on the opposite tarr road from Pont drift you would find many farmers and these fences protect their crop. Otherwise you would have a lot of dead elephants.

Have you been to the croc farm? Do not jump to misinformed conclusions.....

Do not be hasty in you decisions. We've never found an animal caught in the fence. Bush buck and pigs and kudu know how to get out. And most important Elephant.
We do not buy the 7 animals a week being caught in the fences.

Relax you slacks. The doringdraad fences are the biggest problem. Unless you have a cam corder and you could win a prize on Kwela, Kyknet. R250 0000. Or you could rescue a impi at Malouswa Hide. Did you see that? On national TV? Climbing over the fences and hide and no reactio from Mapungubwe management....

All is good.
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 Post subject: Re: My opinion of Mapungubwe
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I am a bit confused by the fence issue :hmz: .

I thought that the fences were there to protect certain of the more fragile trees from munching ellies. It was the tree or the ellies :sniper: . The park is still too small to accomodate both without serious problems. I also thought that certain fences were there to keep animals out from fledgling ecozones busy being restored.

Just a couple of comments, maybe to bring in a bit of perspective.

Mapungubwe is still very much a reserve in the making. Sanparks is still busy buying up farms, rehabillitating them and incorporating them into the reserve. The rehabillitation of land is a difficult and long process. Unfortunately lots of land was left poor and eroded.

This was also hunting territory. The animals tend to be a lot more skittish when compared to Kruger. There is not yet an easy relationship..... other than the primates :roll: I might be mistaken, but I think that Tshugulu lodge might have been a hunting lodge. There needs to be a lot more balance restored and grass and bush need to grow to give sustenance to a growing animal population.

As Giraffe stated, there are still many active farmers and this is another issue needing to be managed. It is one of the reasons why citrus is not allowed in the reserve.

I do believe that over time, this is going to grow into an absolute gem, but it needs a bit of time and creative management. It has many issues needing to be resolved.

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