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Tchagra: Brown-Crowned

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Re: Identification Help - LBJs

Unread postby Ladybirder » Wed Feb 29, 2012 11:38 pm

I think this bird is a Tchagra. Its a bit difficult because one can't see the crown. My The buffy sort of wash in the neck points to Black-crowned Tchagra.

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Re: Identification Help - LBJs

Unread postby DotDan » Thu Mar 01, 2012 9:34 am

This one is a bit difficult without seeing the crown of the bird, but on past experiences with Tchagra's I have noticed that Black Crowned Tchagra's tend to be the one's perched on branches and shrubs whereas Brown Crowned Tchagra's tend to be more lower shrub and ground dwelling that only pops out when it is investigating something. I have also seen more Black Crowned Tchagras in the KNP which makes me believe this is also one.

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Re: Identification Help - LBJs

Unread postby Lizet Grobbelaar » Thu Mar 01, 2012 2:53 pm

Rookie I have to disagree with Dotdan on the Tchagra.
The Black-Crowned Tchagra normally has a black forehead (which is partly visible in your pic) and very black head even visible from the side, and pale to white underparts, while the Brown-crowned Tchagra has a thin black line on the top border not running all the way to the beak and greyish underparts as this one in your pic.

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Re: Identification Help - LBJs

Unread postby Rookie » Thu Mar 01, 2012 5:38 pm

Thanks so much for all your help in IDing this bird. :gflower:

It is a first for me, or if I have actually seen it before, I didn't realise it. :dance: :dance:

I will have to go back to all the other photos of birds that I have from previous visits and try to ID them now.
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Re: Identification Help - LBJs

Unread postby DotDan » Fri Mar 02, 2012 7:31 am

Lizet Grobbelaar wrote:Rookie I have to disagree with Dotdan on the Tchagra.
The Black-Crowned Tchagra normally has a black forehead (which is partly visible in your pic) and very black head even visible from the side, and pale to white underparts, while the Brown-crowned Tchagra has a thin black line on the top border not running all the way to the beak and greyish underparts as this one in your pic.


Now what are you saying actually? You disagree with my ID on Black Crowned Tchagra? :twisted:

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Re: Identification Help - LBJs

Unread postby Lizet Grobbelaar » Fri Mar 02, 2012 1:52 pm

Okay so let's try again! :tongue:

Black-crowned Tchagra has a black forehead, the one in the pic is not black (this is the area above the beak)...
Black-crowned Tchagra has an obvious black crown also visible from the side, which is not the case of the one in the pic.
So yes I disagree this is not a Black-crowned Tchagra but rather a Brown-crowned Tchagra... :wink:

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Re: Identification Help - LBJs

Unread postby DotDan » Fri Mar 02, 2012 3:11 pm

:lol: :lol:

Thanks Lizet.. Nou verstaan ek!! :twisted:


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