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 Post subject: Re: Pictures of animals by the "Safe to alight" signs?
Unread postPosted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 4:15 pm 
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 Post subject: Leave Vehicle Authorized
Unread postPosted: Sat Sep 18, 2010 12:47 pm 
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Hi,

Can anyone tell me if there is a list of those spots within Kruger where it is allowed to leave your vehicle - excluding the obvious rest camps and picnic spots? I noted (not very well obviously) a thread where someone wrote about leaving a vehicle on a bridge but at the time I did not followup.

Anybody know of or have a list?

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 Post subject: Re: Leave Vehicle Authorized
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As far as I know all the available maps show this.
If the symbol has a car plus a person standing next to it then it is a place where you may leave the car (at your own risk of course).
In Kruger the rule is simple....if there is no sign saying it is OK to get out - then stay in your car!

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 Post subject: Re: Leave Vehicle Authorized
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pasuther wrote:
a thread where someone wrote about leaving a vehicle on a bridge
Hi Paul, to add to what EJ has already said, and re the bridges, there are a few of the big bridges crossing rivers in Kruger where you may park on the bridge and get out, namely
Olifants river high level bridge,
Letaba river Bridge
Shingwedzi river Bridge
Luvuvuhu River Bridge.
They will all be signposted to that effect and also have yellow lines drawn on them, meaning you must stay between the those lines.

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 Post subject: Re: Leave Vehicle Authorized
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Most of the high level bridges are authorized "get out" points, because it is relatively safe ( from animals - you could get killed by speeding motorists though or if you lean over the edge too far LOL )
On routes that you might travel, the following as far as I remember:
Levuvhu bridge on H1-9
Shingwedzi bridge on H1-7
Letaba bridge on H1-6
Olifants bridge on H1-4

Then most lookout points are "get out" points too
Dzundwini on S 58
Tshanga and Red Rocks on S52
Bobbejaankrans on H7
Mkumbe hill on H10


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 Post subject: Re: Leave Vehicle Authorized
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Sabie Bridge is NOT a get-out point, contrary to popular opinion!

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 Post subject: Re: Leave Vehicle Authorized
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According to my map:

Mathekenyane off the H1-1
Stevenson Hamilton Memorial Tablets, S22
Orpen Dam*
Nkumbe Viewsite, H10
Orpenklippe, H1-2
Kruger Tablets, H1-2
Bobbejaankrans Lookout, H7
Rabelais Hut, S106
N'wamanzi Lookout, H1-4
Olifants Lookout, S44
Longwe Lookout*
Tropic of Capricorn Cairn, H1-6
Red Rocks, R52
Crooks Corner, S63 (not marked on the map as its only just been designated a get out spot).
* No road number given on my map, sorry.

The bridges that you can get out on are not marked on the map I have. I have my doubts about the Shingwedzi Bridge, I'm pretty certain when we were there last October getting out wasn't allowed.

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 Post subject: Re: Leave Vehicle Authorized
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Are you officially allowed out at the Tropic of Capricorn marker? Everyone does but I didn't notice a sign saying so.

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 Post subject: Re: Leave Vehicle Authorized
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My Map has it marked as a get out point, rayb, and we have :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: Leave Vehicle Authorized
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Bushcraft wrote:
What about the most southerly Baobab - I have seen many people standing next to the Baobab for pictures, some are even on forum TR’s :huh:
As far as I know, that is not a get out point, I have never seen a sign indicating that you may do so. :?
We saw a casket, presumably with someone's ashes that had been placed at the base of the tree once.

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 Post subject: Re: Leave Vehicle Authorized
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It bears repeating, if there is no notice saying you can get out (at your own risk, of course) then you can't get out, regardless of any map or what other people do.

And if there is a reasonable chance that you can be caught by wildlife, like that pride of lions you saw a minute earlier, you don't get out and warn people that are there.

But you can get out anywhere you want to!
If you have a flat tire you will have to...

However, ideally you wait for another car to turn up, so you can work a little shielded, with a few more eyes on the lookout. And of course at a place with plenty free sight, not next to thick bushes.

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 Post subject: Re: Leave Vehicle Authorized
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DuQues wrote:
But you can get out anywhere you want to!
If you have a flat tire you will have to...


Change this to 'you can get out if absolutely necessary for example if you have a flat tyre and other people are around to act as eyes and ears to maximise safety'!

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 Post subject: Re: Leave Vehicle Authorized
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There was an incident at the Matjulu river a few years ago where a leopard attacked and killed a student ranger (Charles Swart) operating a night drive.
He was guiding 12 visitors (21 August 1998) when he stopped the vehicle on the Matjulu bridge.
The ranger was standing a short distance behind the vehicle when the leopard attacked and killed him.
He had a rifle in his possession but was not able to use it.
My BIL and SIL were in BnD at the time and counseled the traumatized visitors.

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 Post subject: Re: Leave Vehicle Authorized
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MEDIA RELEASE - 24 November 2003
South African National Parks releases report on the investigation relating to the September 2003 leopard attack incident at - Kruger National Park
FOLLOWING an incident on September 14, 2003 in which a leopard attacked a tour guide near Nsemani Dam in the Kruger National Park ; South African National Parks (SANParks) carried out an internal investigation to determine the circumstances surrounding the attack.

Evidence was collected and studied from eyewitnesses including the tour guide, Mr Henry van Eck from Safaris Direct in Nelspruit , Mpumalanga .
The SABC environment programme, 50/50, also made video footage from the incident available to SANParks.
SANParks has concluded from the investigation that the leopard was accustomed to humans - possibly from having been fed before.
Our investigation has also found that there was no evidence to suggest that the leopard was injured at the time when it was put down - about half an hour after it had bitten Mr Van Eck on his left leg.

SANParks would like to point out that there was no conclusive evidence found to suggest that the animal was provoked prior to the attack.
There was also no evidence found to support the contention that it had been run over by a tourist vehicle as had previously been reported.

As a result of the fact the leopard had already bitten Mr Van Eck, the game ranger, a South African National Parks staff member, acted correctly in putting the animal down as it was by then a threat to the safety of guests and staff.
The game ranger acted on instruction from the regional ranger. Says Dr Freek Venter, SANParks head of conservation services: "When an animal becomes a problem and a danger to our guests, our policy is to destroy such an animal. "We had no option but to shoot the animal.
It had actually bitten a person and we had no guarantee it would not do it again.
It was so habituated that it would have been dangerous to other tourists in the future," said Dr Venter.

However, SANParks acknowledges that the field ranger did not follow proper professional guidelines in dealing with the matter.
SANParks also concedes that the area could have been cleared first and that the game ranger should not have shot the animal in full view of guests.

In the light of these findings, SANParks will review its policies to find best practice methods of dealing with similar incidents.

Further, SANParks would also like to point out that there are numerous incidents in which members of the public and staff members continue to feed animals inside parks in total disregard of warnings against this practice.
Animals therefore become familiar with humans and expect to be fed.

SANParks Chief Executive David Mabunda expressed his appreciation to all members of the public who assisted with information during the investigation.
He went on to call on guests to heed the advise not to feed animals in the parks as this posed a serious threat to their safety.

"It is unfortunate that the leopard had to be put down, particularly in full view of guests.
However, we are satisfied that the game ranger acted accordingly as he suspected the leopard was a threat to guests and staff. "I would like to make an impassioned plea to visitors in all our national parks to refrain from feeding animals


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 Post subject: Why is it safe to alight at a "Safe to alight" sign
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This has always baffled me, why is it safe to get out of your car at a "Safe to alight" sign, personally I wont get out of my car unless there are a bunch of other people out of their cars (safety in numbers :pray: ) but I have always wondered why the "Safe to alight" areas are any different to any other area in the park?


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