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Re: Lion - Did this happen?

Unread postby missings.a.! » Wed Aug 03, 2011 11:53 am

I think it was Boy.

One of George Adamson's lions leaped up and snatched the child out of a Landrover where he was sitting between his parents as they were out travelling somewhere in the vicinity of GA's property. It grabbed the child by the head and he was very badly injured.

One of his lions also killed a member of staff I think a chef.

IMO, the story of Christian to some extent is not entirely true. Those guys did buy a lion in Harrods and live with it here in London.

Then when they could not cope any more they took it to Kenya to GA, where I can only say the rest of the story I have my doubts.

GA claimed that Christian had been established out in the bush and ultimately had his own pride. Which means a lion that had been in captivity from birth and fed by humans, would be fighting off wild lions at a time they were plentiful.

I am only giving a view but IMO, more likely Christian and his lady were still being fed by Adamson.

But, I could be wrong. It just seems unlikely to me. I don't really care for humans trying to give wild animals especially lions human characteristics.

In a similar manner every year here, we have terrible incidents where small children whose relatives have very dangerous dogs are killed. Always their human masters think their dog is a member of the family and it is allowed to live in close proximity to a toddler.

The reintroduction of predators to the bush is a fine science and I know that now it is successful.

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Re: Lion - Did this happen?

Unread postby Wez » Wed Aug 03, 2011 12:01 pm

wow guess we will never really know unless we were there

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Re: Lion - Did this happen?

Unread postby Pikasso » Wed Aug 03, 2011 12:05 pm

I had to look for the incident I was talking about previously. You can find it best described in "my pride and joy" (page 176 in the French version). It happened in Meru, and, reading through the lines, I think it was a car with a roof, windows left opened, as he wrote that the lion jumped and slid his head through the window...
Yes, it was Boy, who lately killed George assistant Stanley. Still George never believed it was because his lions were used to man. Of course, when you spend your life with dangerous animals, you are likely to face an accident. Should you conclude that it is because the lions behavior was changed?
George did feed his lions for long periods. The point being they they would, step by step, be less and less dependent on him... the book says it worked with Christian...
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Re: Lion - Did this happen?

Unread postby Pikasso » Wed Aug 03, 2011 12:11 pm

WeskusKlong wrote:
George had to retire from his position of senior game warden after one of his lions 'Boy' mauled the son of another warden." Maybe the "boy" in the story referred to by Pikasso was... a lion... with the name Boy. :hmz:



This is not what the book says. George was already retired from the game warden at this time. And he was authorized to carry on after the incident, though it took years before the boy's father talked to Geoge again, and he had to leave the Meru and find a more remote spot...
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Re: Lion - Did this happen?

Unread postby missings.a.! » Wed Aug 03, 2011 12:13 pm

Well, as Wez said, we will never know as we were not there.

I love lions and we all must realise that they lead very violent lives. Establishing a pride is not for sissies and as we know, the males are constantly challenged.

Then again there is hunting they learn from other lions.

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Re: WILD DOGS IN THE KTP?

Unread postby Kgalagadi Guru » Wed Aug 03, 2011 1:25 pm

I have had a informal chat with Dr Gus Mills today about how long his project will still be going on regarding the cheetahs, he mentioned that they will still be in the park until March 2011 and after that they will be going to the UK to write up his findings (hopefully bring out a book) and then he will see if there is any new projects he could be involved in.

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Re: WILD DOGS IN THE KTP?

Unread postby erfolg22 » Tue Aug 09, 2011 12:38 am

So the cheetah project has been finished in March 2011 ??
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Re: WILD DOGS IN THE KTP?

Unread postby Kgalagadi Guru » Tue Aug 09, 2011 7:20 am

Good Morning,

Sorry my mistake the Cheetah project will come to an end in the park March 2012, but again it will depend on if Dr. Mills have all the info he wanted to get.

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Re: WILD DOGS IN THE KTP?

Unread postby mistral » Tue Aug 09, 2011 9:06 am

KG - The Cheetah project - what areas of research is Dr Mills covering - what do we still need to discover about these beautiful animals?

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Re: WILD DOGS IN THE KTP?

Unread postby Kgalagadi Guru » Tue Aug 09, 2011 9:36 am

I will get from Dr. Mills an official report as to what his research was all about, then as soon as I have received a reply I will post the answer from Dr. Mills.

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Re: WILD DOGS IN THE KTP?

Unread postby mistral » Tue Aug 09, 2011 10:44 am

Thank You. Look forward to it.

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Re: WILD DOGS IN THE KTP?

Unread postby JABES » Thu Aug 11, 2011 7:45 am

Good morning
I had a discussion about the wild dogs with one of the rangers at Mabuasehube this weekend. Apparently they are seen from time to time. It seems that they are a little more on the Eastern side in Botswana, than on the SA side. The last sighting was about a month ago on the Mabua pan. They were in a hurry and was only seen for a brief time. No photo's was taken. It's my dream to see some in the Kalahari. Maybe I can help with the research????? Just need some time and money.

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Re: WILD DOGS IN THE KTP?

Unread postby Bush Baptist » Thu Aug 11, 2011 12:55 pm

Mabua seems to be part of their territory, which does not spread too far west unfortunately.

I would also love to see them in the Nossob valley.
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What happened to the wild dogs in KTP?

Unread postby picnic » Fri Feb 24, 2012 11:49 am

Last sight of wild dogs in KTP.View here.Where are they now? :hmz:

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Re: What happened to the wild dogs in KTP?

Unread postby Shi » Fri Feb 24, 2012 12:14 pm

:hmz: My guess.... a three year old LQ served as a distraction Image while dad smuggled them out in the back of the bakkie :tongue:
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