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 Post subject: Re: Not Done - Souvenirs
Unread postPosted: Tue May 09, 2006 9:23 am 
francoisd wrote:
I wonder where the wood for the curios in Kruger comes from then?


Francoisd, there is something else I’m wondering about: Where does all the animal skins they now sell in the Kruger shops come from? Including the skins of Black-Backed Jackals. :shock:
At a stage the shop at Satara sold Dung Beatles cast in Perspex. :(
Yes I suppose I’m a purist bunny-hugging idiot (who kill a snake every now and then :redface: ), but this is an eyesore for me and I really do not think it is appropriate. :evil:


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Advice to all european travellers:
Dont even thing about buying a skin or other animal parts in Kruger.
The ethics aside
You probable would bump into customs.

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If the shop owners are honest people they should warn their European customers about this ….

Yes, but European travellers should also know that they are not allowed to bring certain kinds of souvenirs home. It's amazing what amounts of souvenirs are confiscated by customs every year.
I wonder if most people don't know the laws or just ignore them and try anyway. (It can get expensive though if one gets fined...)

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What I find quite irritating regarding the "curios" and momentos for sale in the Kruger shops is that many are virtually the same as that available, for example, in the shop at Tsitsikamma. I get the impression the stuff is bought in from elsewhere in bulk.
I know it is kitsch, but I used to buy beer mugs as momentos. Back in the day I could buy something inscribed/printed with the camp's name where I bought it (Satara, Shingwidzi, whatever). Then that disappeared, and then the only differentiation was "Kruger Park", "Kgalagadi" etc etc. Now every beer mug you get in any park is the same..."big five" "africa" bla bla bla......
Uniformity sucks.


Its all geared for the foreign tourist. I will never buy a t-shirt that says South Africa, but I usually buy camp ones.

Ask Stephen to show you the Biyamiti ones, I have 2 and they are priced reasonably.

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I think the Kruger shops are outrageously over-priced - in Dec I wanted to buy my 6 month old niece in Canada a T-shirt with the the little five on, you've guessed it, hopelessly over priced at R105-00!!
I agree they should bring back the items that had camp names on such as coffee mugs etc


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I agree, if you have looked in one camp shop you can give all the others a miss.
Afsaal have their own merchandise with Traders Post on, so why can't the rest?


Ok, now I am going to stick my scrawny neck out far enough to get it chopped off....before I begin, SANParks, you are an amzing organisation that does an awesome, awesome job BUT the shops, virtually all of them are stocked and run by one retailer, I will be kind and not mention their name. That's why all the stock is the same. Also this particular retailer is and I quote "not interested in goods that are not mass produced ..." And in case anyone is wondering, this same stock is available in every flippin nook and cranny of this country. And local and foreign tourists alike are complaining like crazy. I dunno, but I think maybe this does require some thought being put into it :?


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Your right jay, and that one retailer buys from outside companies, not even SA ones, so very little is locally made, I mean SA made. I know that there is a heap of Swazi made stuff in those shops, at an enormous mark up :shock: (Ingwenya Glass and Swazi Candles and Gone Rural Grass baskets and mats mainly)

But then I dont really know the answer to this problem either :cry:

I just know that all touristy type shops add an enormous mark up because they dont think the foreign tourists will either notice or care, not sure which. I have a friend here in Swazi who runs a very successful touristy type job, with real up-market goods in it, at the Royal Swazi Sun, and the mark up is horrific.... good for her, but not for the tourists.

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I would not mind paying R105 for a t-shirt that was locally produced and had a meaningful, small range logo on. I

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Thing is the shops are put out to tender, and it is easier and more efficient for a large, professional company as the present one to run it.
But then perhaps it would be good to insist that at least some of the stock is community based, supports SA industry etc etc, which will give the present retailer a lekker headache, but hey, I think he is making mega bucks anyway :wink:


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Just to really but a big stick in this Topics 'Can of Worms',...
have you ever looked to see where the items are being made?

I am sure the majority of the clothing items - hats, T shirts etc are made in the Far East - the hawkers in Durban beachfront sell similar items.
There are ornaments made in Swaziland - proudly advertised.
in a SANpark shop.
I really used to enjoy buying a Camp momento, after each visit, even a simple sticker, but even those are not available for every camp anymore.
It must be because the Shops are run under a single concession? Not sure, but the truth is, there are still people queing up to buy the overpriced "kitsch" every day.. just look at Lower Sabie camp shop.

My point - we (our SANPS) must suport SA industries, and curios must be derived from proven, renewable/ sustainable resources.... eg Elephant Dung Paper :wink:

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As a foreign tourist I do try and return home with locally made produces from the country I am visiting, hopefully produced from renewable/sustainable resources, and at a reasonable price, but often it is difficult to achieve.
Jazzy, I can cope with Swazi goods, but don't often buy them now, as I don't like the horrendous mark ups on the goods, as long as locally made goods are also available.
As the shops in KNP are now outsourced, I assume that the profits go to the company that runs the shops and not SANParks.
If I knew the profits went into the park I would probably find the prices more acceptable.
I suppose that the reasoning for the high cost of goods, are that the majority of foreign visitors only visit once and that they'll pay anything for a curio to remind them of their trip.

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And that's just where the problem lies and the company knows that some foreigners will pay their price.
Ever noticed how the prices of the curios vary from outlet to outlet in KNP.


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Jay wrote:
Bouf, as far as I now a certain percentage of the turnover of the Kruger shops does go to SANParks.


They must obviously also pay rental to SANParks and employ local people to serve in them

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Look at it from the other side, that T shirt at R105 is only around $16, which is a steal for a Kruger shirt as a memento. These guys running the stores now know that as well.
South Africans will really struggle to haul out that money to pay for it, but those from across the waters see it as an absolute steal.
The sickening thing is that that shirt is probably not even made in SA, and probably costs around R10 - 20 if that.
As a result there are jobs being lost left right and centre.
That is why when I am in the park I will not buy any such curios, as it is day light robbery, even though my Dollar makes it pretty cheap.

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