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 Post subject: Re: Kite: Yellow billed
Unread postPosted: Thu Apr 14, 2011 10:20 pm 
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Are there any KITES still around?
I don't think I've seen one for at least 2 weeks in Durban North!
Have they left your area as well?


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 Post subject: Re: Kite: Yellow billed
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I spotted the last one for the season here in Amanzimtoti early in March this year. Their departure was definitely earlier than usual this time around! (Perhaps that indicates a colder than usual winter approaching??)

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 Post subject: Re: Kite: Yellow billed
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Something for the Afrikaans speaking folks. We were travelling down the Eastern Cape coast when my friend spotted a bird. He asked me what it was and I replied " 'n Geelbek Wou" He replied by saying it must be a male because if it was a female, it would have been a " Geelbek Wou Nie"

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 Post subject: Re: Kite: Yellow billed
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:funny: :funny:

I've seen a YBK in Pretoria about 10 days ago...


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 Post subject: Re: Identification Help - Raptors
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Hi friends,
We saw this early in the morning, around 6AM, coming from Tamboti, where we slept, to the H7. I identified it as a Lesser Spotted Eagle, but I am always in doubt about these eagles. Do you agree with this identification?

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 Post subject: Re: Identification Help - Raptors
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I enlighted the picture Charbel, to me this clearly looks like a tawny eagle, but I am not a real expert.

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 Post subject: Re: Identification Help - Raptors
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Isn't it a Wahlberg's?

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 Post subject: Re: Identification Help - Raptors
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Well, I always get confused with these species... I also thought about Wahlberg's and Tawny, but ended up thinking was a Lesser Spotted.... Any more opinions on this?

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 Post subject: Re: Identification Help - Raptors
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Looks like a tawny eagle to me difficult to tell from the pictures, but if you thought about tawny eagle but rejected in favour for Lesser Spotted what were your the deciding factors :hmz:

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 Post subject: Re: Identification Help - Raptors
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charbel, this is not the ideal shot to make an ID with but with a bit of editing the general impression I get from this bird is of a Kite, juv. Black / Yellow-billed Kite.

Smallish black bill with yellow cere, long wings to tail tip, white blotches on the shoulder and brown eyes. We can't say for sure but there has to be fine streaking on the head and throat...legs should be bare and yellow.

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 Post subject: Re: Identification Help - Raptors
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I did not think it was a Tawny Eagle because when I maximize the picture I do not see a barred tail. I know the pictures do not offer important information to ID, but they were the best available. I did not think of a juvenile yellow-billed kite. It could be. Here is another picture, cropped, colour adjusted.

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 Post subject: Re: Identification Help - Raptors
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I took another stroll through my guides.... Looking at the picture and the argument by Lizet, I think it is a juvenile black kite, not yellow-billed, because in this case the bill had to be all yellow. I at first did not think was a black kite, because I only thought at the adult, and then the head had to be greyish. But the juvenile black kite has a brown head. So, that's my conclusion, about which I would certainly like to hear from you.

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 Post subject: Re: Identification Help - Raptors
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charbel,
The reason I didn't commit to Yellow-billed or Black Kite is because it's so difficult to distinguish between the juv. birds in the field. Both have the black bill with yellow cere and brown head with dark eyes.

The main clue to use is the streaking which is not very clear on your pic, Yellow-billed has more streaking - this is mentioned in the Raptor guide I use...


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 Post subject: Re: Identification Help - Raptors
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Picture could be either of the two kites, but it "feels" like yellow-billed and because of location and the fact that it was a single bird, I would say juvenile yellow-billed.

(Never seen black kite in Kruger. Saw huge flocks in Northern Botswana, feasting on termites with huge numbers of Steppe eagle. Quite a sight!)


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 Post subject: Re: Identification Help - Raptors
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Hi
Thanks for the interesting discussion. The behaviour and sighting location clues seem to settle the issue: Yellow-billed kite, juvenile.

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