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 Post subject: Re: Insect ID needed
Unread postPosted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 7:58 pm 
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Kamadejo wrote:
Can anyone of the experts ID this small critter? :pray:

Vaguely yes. How big is it, and where did you find it (window, yes, but where is your window? SA, USA, KZN, KNP...?)

I bet that little fellow is about half a centimetre long. They usually are very small creatures, and I never have heard of one that is even 1.5 cm long. Feel welcome to surprise me by cutting the tail off a giant scorpion! (Only, as I like scorpions, make sure that the scorpion is dead first.)

That was a typical, unmistakable, example of a pseudoscorpion. They are members of the order Pseudoscorpionida, of the class Arachnida, and as such they have the same rank as the spiders, the Aranea. However the Pseudoscorpionida are far less varied than the spiders. They all look like tiny, tiny scorpions without tails. To invertebrologists they are an easily recognisable group, although not many people know much about many species of them because most of them are very small and all of them, when not wondering out other windowpanes, spend their lives in the dark and under bark, stones and so on. Sometimes in dusty rooms one may find them among books and boxes.

Apart from being harmless, they generally are useful, feeding on small pests like booklice and clothes moth larvae (small ones of course!)

There are many interesting things about them, including the fact that they produce silk like some mites and spiders, but the spinnerets are not in the end of the abdomen, but in the jaws. Generally a topsy-turvy lot. Also they do not use the silk for catching prey, but for egg cases, spermatophores and so on.

I hope that helps.

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 Post subject: Re: Insect ID needed
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Thanks Jon for the ID and the wonderful information about this little critter. :clap: :clap:

It was on the Webcam at Orpen today and this pic was saved! :lol:

Thanks again for your help. :thumbs_up:

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 Post subject: Re: Insect ID needed
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I am wanting to know what this is


I hope that answers most of your questions; you are welcome to ask for elaboration, or for that matter to argue if you don't believe blind word of it! :wink:

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Hi Jon,
Thank you for replying to my post and answering my questions and more.
You are without doubt an expert in your field and very passionate about it.

I will not even conceder getting into an "argument" with you but I do however
have a small request and that is can you help me with my post about the butterflies
on the elephant dung that I posted above the bagworm post.

Thanking you again :thumbs_up:
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 Post subject: Re: Insect ID needed
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RonnieL wrote:
Hi Guys,

I need some help.

I took this pic recently in the Addo Park of these butterflies sitting on fresh and still wet elephant dung.
I have seen this before in the park and also outside of the park where I have seen these same butterflies sitting on cow dung and even on the damp soil where livestock have urinated or any damp soil for that matter.

I want to know what are they doing and are they able to obtain liquids and nutrients from the dung and urine?


Hi Ronnie,
My apologies; I somehow missed your item. My excuses are age and stupidity; what are yours? :redface:

You said some very nice things, but really, you were too generous by far; embarrassingly so! What I know might fill a book or two, and more than half of it is more than half wrong, What I don't know doesn't fit into all the libraries on the planet!

Your question seems simple, but it opens whole cans of worms.

Let's see...

The life histories of insects vary in their functional organisation (how they work, if you like.) However, practically all of them have two different stages combined in one way or another. Generally the first priority is to build up a working adult insect, and the second is to get the necessary materials for producing babies and if necessary, caring for them.
Let's think of a few examples. I can't go into details; there is too much!

One simple case is a moth like an emperor moth (like the Mopane "worm"). The larva eats obsessively, building up stores of protein, water, and fat. When adult it doesn't eat at all, for its "strategy"" it doesn't need to. The female simply sends out a signal for the male to follow to mate, first come, generally the only one served. He then generally dies and she lays eggs in large batches. She makes them from her bodily food stores.

That was that! It is a simple strategy and works fairly well, even if it seems brutal. But it suits the moths; they have no reason to hang about afterwards instead of dying.

Hummingbird hawk moths and butterflies tend to live longer as adults. They might last for months and generally spread their eggs more widely, some species even laying their eggs singly and widely scattered, making life hard for parasites, parasitoids, and predators. Most of them have enough bulk proteins and fats to make eggs, but need more energy for flight, energy that they get from damaged fruit, nectar and so on.

Consider mosquitoes. Some kinds like the giant mosquito Toxorhynchites spp., eat other water animals when they are larvae, in particular the larvae of other mosquitoes. They certainly deserve encouragement! Such animal food is very rich, and the adults of both genders have no need to suck blood, so they just mate, suck nectar for energy, and lay their eggs in promising pools and tree-stumps where there are likely to be munchies, such as malaria or yellow fever mosquito larvae.

Other species of mosquitoes feed mainly on detritus and microscopic creatures in the water and they do grow into functional adults, with males that don't need more proteins, but do need nectar for energy, chatting up females etc.

The same applies to the females, except that the female needs protein to build eggs. She accordingly risks her life biting you and me. They both can live for weeks in suitable conditions, each with his slightly but crucially different life history.

Butterflies now, what about those butterflies, Richfield?

Butterflies vary, but especially those that live in forests have special needs. They can easily (if they survive!) get enough food to build up the bodies of the adults, but they are famous for eating sap, dung, mud, and so on. Butterfly collectors make use of the fact to trap specimens.

You see, especially in forests, plants are short of some minerals such as sodium and chlorine that most plants don't need, but animals do. Mud often contains a job lot of minerals, and you often find mainly male butterflies sucking up the mud's moisture for its dissolved salts. Manure and urine practically certainly contain such salts, coming as they do, from large animals that had to collect the salt, sometimes from salt licks, They need to get it somehow if they want to stay functional. Nectar, juice, and sap mainly supply energy in the form of sugars, and not much mineral content. Nice, but not critical. When the males of some species have collected and concentrated a goodly supply of the necessary salts, they chat up females and offer them some of their hoarded salt supplies. A female that likes the offer will mate, which she now can afford because she is not short of the salts of animal origin that she needs to produce viable eggs.

Get the picture?

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 Post subject: Re: Insect ID needed
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Jon Richfield wrote:
Kamadejo wrote:
Can anyone of the experts ID this small critter? :pray:


...

That was a typical, unmistakable, example of a pseudoscorpion.

...

Apart from being harmless, they generally are useful, feeding on small pests like booklice and clothes moth larvae (small ones of course!)
....

I hope that helps.

Cheers,

Jon


Just adding one more interesting fact Jon has not mentioned. They can in fact sting!

Their sting is situated in their pincers, and often in only one of the two. It is rather harmless to humans, though it may cause a surprise! It is used to subdue their prey.

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 Post subject: Re: Insect ID needed
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Thanks Imberbe, that's really interesting. I know much too little about these little critters. :redface:

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 Post subject: Re: Insect ID needed
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Imberbe wrote:
Jon Richfield wrote:
Kamadejo wrote:


Just adding one more interesting fact Jon has not mentioned. They can in fact sting!

Their sting is situated in their pincers, and often in only one of the two. It is rather harmless to humans, though it may cause a surprise! It is used to subdue their prey. [/color]


Thanks Imberbe. They are certainly remarkable in many ways. I must say that the specimens I have handled so far were too small to do any pinching of human fingers or skin, so I don't normally think of the sting. But what rattled me was this bit about only one pincer carrying the sting. That I did not know. Could you please elaborate a bit on that, or perhaps point me at a reference?

Another thing is that they often hitch hike on larger flying insects, which surely must be an important factor in their spread. But I wonder whether it is "deliberate", or whether they actually are trying to attack the insect as prey...?

So many questions..

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Hi Jon.

There is a brilliant (for a layperson such as I) new book which has just been published. It is called the "Goggo guide / Goggagids" by Erik Holm and Ansie Dippenaar Schoeman (Lapa, 2010, ISBN 978-0-7993-4688-6). It is a book about the Arthropods, excluding insects.

It is a great read, giving all kinds of wonderful information on these basically unknown animals.

It is available through www.awn.co.za at a price or R 215, which is much cheaper than the R 280 I have seen in the shops.

The information is on page 81.

It could be possible that that pseudo scorpion was actually hunting even smaller animals such as mites on that bigger insect? The same might happen on birds?

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 Post subject: Re: Insect ID needed
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Imberbe wrote:
Hi Jon.

There is a brilliant (for a layperson such as I) new book which has just been published. It is called the "Goggo guide / Goggagids" by Erik Holm and Ansie Dippenaar Schoeman (Lapa, 2010, ISBN 978-0-7993-4688-6). It is a book about the Arthropods, excluding insects.


Much thanks! I'll visit that site pretty promptly! We need a book like that!

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It could be possible that that pseudo scorpion was actually hunting even smaller animals such as mites on that bigger insect? The same might happen on birds?


Hmmm! Hadn't thought of that! Can't say I find it persuasive, but it certainly bears thinking about.


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 Post subject: Re: Insect ID needed
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Can anyone help with ID of this — is it a locust?

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And are these caterpillars related to it (they were close by)?

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 Post subject: Re: Insect ID needed
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Can anyone help with ID of this — is it a locust?



Hi Arks, No, that is not a locust. Locusts are generally large, shorthorned grasshoppers, particularly those that swarm. They tend to be inconspicuously coloured and athletic in shape; also good to eat, if you are into eating grasshoppers.

Grasshoppers are in the order Orthoptera. This one is in the family Pyrgomorphidae, the family of poisonous, smelly, unathletic, aposematically coloured shorthorned grasshoppers. They are variously called "foaming" or spitting" or "stinking" grasshoppers. Many members of the family tend to lay their eggs in large batches and the hoppers stick together in carpets, looking unattractive to predators. They are slow and clumsy, which they can afford because not may creatures will feed on them. The colours of the young tend to be surprisingly elegant, They are unpopular, but unless you happen to be a farmer with a problem I don't know why; They are harmless and intriguing.

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The caterpillars are about as distantly related as they could be and still be insects. They are in the order Lepidopters. and they will turn into moths.
I recommend that you give them a wide berth; they look like members of the processionary caterpillar family.: the Thaumetopoeidae. We have quite a few of them in SA, and many of them have dangerously stinging hairs. I seem to remember that we had some discussion on them in the forum a few months back. I am a bit rushed, but perhaps you could check back?
If you draw a blank, say so, and I'll go into greater detail.

Mind you; I cannot be sure of the family, because there are several other families that have hairy worms, some looking fairly similar, but the others also deserve some care in handling them!

Cheers,

Jon


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Can anyone help with ID of this — is it a locust?
Hi Arks, No, that is not a locust. Locusts are generally large, shorthorned grasshoppers, particularly those that swarm. They tend to be inconspicuously coloured and athletic in shape; also good to eat, if you are into eating grasshoppers.

Grasshoppers are in the order Orthoptera. This one is in the family Pyrgomorphidae, the family of poisonous, smelly, unathletic, aposematically coloured shorthorned grasshoppers. They are variously called "foaming" or spitting" or "stinking" grasshoppers. Many members of the family tend to lay their eggs in large batches and the hoppers stick together in carpets, looking unattractive to predators. They are slow and clumsy, which they can afford because not may creatures will feed on them. The colours of the young tend to be surprisingly elegant, They are unpopular, but unless you happen to be a farmer with a problem I don't know why; They are harmless and intriguing.

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And are these caterpillars related to it (they were close by)?


The caterpillars are about as distantly related as they could be and still be insects. They are in the order Lepidopters. and they will turn into moths.
I recommend that you give them a wide berth; they look like members of the processionary caterpillar family.: the Thaumetopoeidae. We have quite a few of them in SA, and many of them have dangerously stinging hairs. I seem to remember that we had some discussion on them in the forum a few months back. I am a bit rushed, but perhaps you could check back?
If you draw a blank, say so, and I'll go into greater detail.

Mind you; I cannot be sure of the family, because there are several other families that have hairy worms, some looking fairly similar, but the others also deserve some care in handling them!

Belated thanks for your detailed reply, Jon 8) Interesting that the grasshopper and the caterpillars are unrelated as they were on different parts of the same roadside shrub :hmz:

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Can anyone help with ID of this pupa or chrysalis? Is it for a moth or a butterfly or .... ?

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Can anyone help with ID of this pupa or chrysalis? Is it for a moth or a butterfly or .... ?



Seen in KTP in September 2007.

It is a moth pretty certainly. I don't know that one offhand. How big is it? I wopuld wonder whether it is some kind of emperor moth (Saturniidae) if it is large, but most of the emperors I know pupate in the soil. It looks a bit too tidy for a Lunar moth, and in any case, i don't normally expect to find them in thorn trees.

Sorry to be so vague. If it is nearly thumb-sized, I would think it is a Saturniid.


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