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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

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Re: Egret: Great white

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Re: Egret: Great white

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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread postby Rookie » Thu Jan 05, 2012 8:24 pm

I saw these water birds at Moravet waterhole in KTP. Can somebody please help me wiht the confirmation and ID.

I would guess a Black-headed Heron, an egret, but don't know which one and the bird in the front, I don't even have a clue!
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Unread postby deefstes » Thu Jan 05, 2012 8:36 pm

You're corerct with your Black-headed Heron ID and the Egret is most likely a Great White Egret considering the size. Unfortunately it offers no real ID features for us to go on.
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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread postby Rookie » Thu Jan 05, 2012 8:44 pm

Thank you so much.

I helps to ID birds if you actually know where to start looking in the book.

I also thought it was a great white Egret, but according to my Sasol book, they are not usually found in KTP, so that threw me. :slap:
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Unread postby deefstes » Thu Jan 05, 2012 9:02 pm

Rookie wrote:I also thought it was a great white Egret, but according to my Sasol book, they are not usually found in KTP, so that threw me. :slap:


Hmmm, very interesting. I overlooked the fact that they were photographed in KTP (I assumed it was KNP). That is indeed out of range for Great Egret and very much so. I wouldn't put my neck on the line saying that it is a Great Egret, in fact it might actually be a tad small. That said, I have no idea which other bird it could be as all of the other white egrets, except for Cattle Egret (which this bird is not) would be out of range as well. You can rule out Yellow-billed Egret based on tha fact that the tibia (upper part of leg) is black, not yellow.

It basically leaves you with Great White Egret (which, the more I think of it, should be more comparable in size to the heron) and Little Egret. Both of these would be properly out of range though.
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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread postby Rookie » Thu Jan 05, 2012 9:35 pm

This is a heavily cropped picture of the same bird and may give some more clues as to its ID.

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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread postby Johan van Rensburg » Fri Jan 06, 2012 5:41 am

Rookie wrote:This is a heavily cropped picture of the same bird and may give some more clues as to its ID.


I think deefstes' original call of great egret is spot on. Although the egret and heron are comparable in height, they are not all that comparable in size, i.e. with that long neck extended the egret will be only a head short in a height race... But when you look at body size it will be 25 - 30% "smaller" in appearance. Rob VII quote the following measurements that gives a clue in this regard: For Egret, weight = 700 - 1500g; wing (ave, measured from tip to carpal joint) 383mm. For heron, weight = 1.07 - 2.07 kg; and wing ave 443 for fem and 457 for males.

Rookie wrote:With birdies that don't stay where they are supposed to, how do they ever think I am going to learn!! :wall: :wall:


Yarwell... you are going to enjoy birding even more when you realise they use their wings for travel! Great egrets' distribution is much dependant on the wetness factor. When you have good rains in normally arid regions, they will pitch up :lol:
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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread postby deefstes » Fri Jan 06, 2012 6:46 am

Alright yes, that yellow bil and the shape of the neck gives it away as a Great White Egret, no more doubt.

Johan van Rensburg wrote:Yarwell... you are going to enjoy birding even more when you realise they use their wings for travel! Great egrets' distribution is much dependant on the wetness factor. When you have good rains in normally arid regions, they will pitch up :lol:


But even so, I would say picking up a Great White Egret in KTP (that is mos Kgalagadi?) is extraordinary. During the course of the 2nd Bird Atlas project so far, not a single record came from KTP, not even an incidental sighting.
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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread postby Johan van Rensburg » Fri Jan 06, 2012 7:12 am

deefstes wrote: I would say picking up a Great White Egret in KTP (that is mos Kgalagadi?) is extraordinary. During the course of the 2nd Bird Atlas project so far, not a single record came from KTP, not even an incidental sighting.


A special sighting, indeed! I fully agree.
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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread postby Rookie » Fri Jan 06, 2012 1:40 pm

Johan van Rensburg wrote:
deefstes wrote: I would say picking up a Great White Egret in KTP (that is mos Kgalagadi?) is extraordinary. During the course of the 2nd Bird Atlas project so far, not a single record came from KTP, not even an incidental sighting.


A special sighting, indeed! I fully agree.



Wow, thanks Johan and Deefstes - that is 2 special sightings we saw....the Great White Egret and a Kori Bustard eating a snake! :big_eyes: :big_eyes:
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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread postby Johan van Rensburg » Fri Jan 06, 2012 2:14 pm

Rookie wrote:

That is 2 special sightings we saw....the Great White Egret and a Kori Bustard eating a snake! :big_eyes: :big_eyes:


Those two are "special" for totally different reasons... To put the "specialness" of the egret-sighting in perspective: the GWE is a raritity in KTP. You are likely to see 20 Kori Bustards consuming snakes before you see another GWE in Kgalagadi!
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Re: Egret: Great white

Unread postby Leeukos » Tue May 22, 2012 8:09 pm

A Great Egret and Grey Heron at Lake Panic in the Kruger National Park.

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